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1165853	2011-01-21 02:02:00	Right. Will have to do it online, as the HD was buggered and any manual on it is looooong gone. I presume if I must, there is such a thing as a SATA to IDE converter? sarel	sarel (2490)
1165854	2011-01-21 02:30:00	Yes, you can easily look the manual up online if you know your motherboard model Yes there are SATA-IDE (and IDE-SATA) adapters but you shouldn't need to use those here.	Agent_24 (57)
1165855	2011-01-21 17:51:00	A stupid question : why did Win7 run without problems? sarel	sarel (2490)
1165856	2011-01-21 18:16:00	My mobo : h10025.www1.hp.com sarel	sarel (2490)
1165857	2011-01-21 20:32:00	Hmm, there's a few manuals on that link, but not one that shows what the different coloured SATA ports are for. And even tho its an ASUS mobo, ASUS dont support it	Speedy Gonzales (78)
1165858	2011-01-21 20:36:00	A stupid question : why did Win7 run without problems? sarel This answer will start a barrage of fights. :D :lol: My reasoning - W7 - Better OS, Better hardware support. I had similar happen a year or so back. Old PC, The ubuntu of the time was meant to run on the spec's, but like yourself, couldn't get a desktop. This may have been due to my lack of knowledge on how to fix Ubuntu, but XP ran perfectly. I gave up in the end. To repeat myself I have found trying to get help with Ubuntu problems is sometimes impossible -- many answers on the internet, "dance around" the problem, dont actually give a workable answer. Classic is your problem - I have spent a while looking for an answer, posted anything I have found. There are lots of answers on adjusting the graphics, but you have to have them first :rolleyes: Edited: I'll give credit where credits due -- Have you noticed that Agent_24 is the only one who uses ubuntu ( I suspect) is trying to help :thumbs: -- where are all the others here that swear its the bees knees of OS's - Notice no help from them ? :groan: In other words- good when it works, but dont want to know when it turns to custard ---- Shame on them.	wainuitech (129)
1165859	2011-01-21 20:49:00	It looks like the SATA ports on that mobo are SATA 1. I take it the hdd you brought is SATA 2?	Speedy Gonzales (78)
1165860	2011-01-21 21:59:00	This answer will start a barrage of fights . :D :lol: My reasoning - W7 - Better OS, Better hardware support . I had similar happen a year or so back . Old PC, The ubuntu of the time was meant to run on the spec's, but like yourself, couldn't get a desktop . This may have been due to my lack of knowledge on how to fix Ubuntu, but XP ran perfectly . I gave up in the end . To repeat myself I have found trying to get help with Ubuntu problems is sometimes impossible -- many answers on the internet, "dance around" the problem, dont actually give a workable answer . Classic is your problem - I have spent a while looking for an answer, posted anything I have found . There are lots of answers on adjusting the graphics, but you have to have them first :rolleyes: Edited: I'll give credit where credits due -- Have you noticed that Agent_24 is the only one who uses ubuntu ( I suspect) is trying to help :thumbs: -- where are all the others here that swear its the bees knees of OS's - Notice no help from them ? :groan: In other words- good when it works, but dont want to know when it turns to custard ---- Shame on them . I have to agree, unfortunately . Ubuntu is a nice OS overall but if you do get some weird problem it's often quite hard to find anyone to help you (my own experience) . On most computers I have tried it, Ubuntu works just fine . On a few I have had weird problems and either gave up or used a different distribution (can be surprising how much difference that can make, actually) A big problem I find with Ubuntu is that as it's targeted to people who don't know much about Linux (like me!) it tries to do a lot of things automatically . That works great when it works, but if it doesn't work, you get really screwed, because then it's even harder to try to figure it out manually (that is the impression I get anyway) The other thing is that Linux can be a lot less forgiving than Windows for mis-configured hardware or badly written BIOSes etc . Whether you see this is a good thing or not depends on your point of view .	Agent_24 (57)
1165861	2011-01-21 22:01:00	My mobo : h10025.www1.hp.com sarel Do you know which BIOS version you're running on that board? (Should show up on POST screen or in BIOS setup) Because I notice here: h10025.www1.hp.com That there is a BIOS update available which upgrades the onboard VGA ROM. It might be a long stretch but since you're getting problems with the video I figure it's probably worth a try...	Agent_24 (57)
1165862	2011-01-21 22:31:00	OK - so for all the guys suggesting that Sarel mess with the SATA ports, you're on the wrong track - note the quote below . The fact that the boot menu appears correctly means that the drive can be accessed from GRUB just fine, which is all that's needed to start the boot process . Saw the Grub loading fleetingly and then I got 4 options : Generic Ubuntu xxxxxxx, Generic Ubuntu xxxxxx (Recovery mode), Memtest86, Memtest86 with something else . Logically, if the drive is accessable by GRUB at boot time, then the SATA controller / drive connection *cannot* be the problem . None of the Ubuntu choices worked, got the signal error on both . Does your 'no signal' error occur before or after Ubuntu's boot splash (i . e . can you see Ubuntu's splashscreen, and then the signal error, or don't youeven get that far? What video card does this box have? If I'm reading your symptoms right, it's most likely to be either a problem with the framebuffer setup (if you're not seeing the spash screen), or a problem with X's autoconfig making the wrong decisions (if you are seeing it) . Noting your board has integrated graphics, if you have a dedicated card as well it's possible that Ubuntu is trying to use whichever card your screen *isn't* plugged into, so it's worth checking this too . At a suggestion of a guy at work I checked the boot sequence, and found : the 2 DVD-drives are on channels 3 and 4, and the HD is on channel 6 . This may be the cause of all the cr*p?Nope - you could see the GRUB menu fine, so leave 'em alone - this isn't the problem . GRUB will quite happily boot Linux from any drive attached to the system; it doesn't care what order they're in as long as you don't change them around . If you move them, then you'll probably cause more problems than you already have, and you'll need to reconfigure GRUB . Does this board have one of those JMicron SATA controllers? I think I read in a motherboard manual that you shouldn't install the OS on a port connected to that controller, and you should only use it for storage etc . This warning only applies to Windows, due to the way it handles driver loading . Linux has no such limitation, and can use any controller on the system . A stupid question : why did Win7 run without problems?Because Win7 doesn't use the Linux graphics subsystems, which appears to be where your problem lies . My reasoning - W7 - Better OS, Better hardware support . Haha, nice idea, but not quite . This looks more like a configuration error, which noting it's Ubuntu doesn't surprise me at all - Ubuntu has a very bad track record for shipping bugs, and introducing them with updates . Recent versions of Linux should have no trouble supporting the hardware on that board . To repeat myself I have found trying to get help with Ubuntu problems is sometimes impossible -- many answers on the internet, "dance around" the problem, dont actually give a workable answer . Classic is your problem - I have spent a while looking for an answer, posted anything I have found . There are lots of answers on adjusting the graphics, but you have to have them first :rolleyes:Agreed - there is a lot of support available for Ubuntu, but much of it is very circumspect, on the wrong track, or just flat-out wrong . This is (in my opinion) generally caused partly by typical skill level of Ubuntu users (i . e . they often don't have a clue about what's going wrong, but feel the need to chip in with their 2c anyway), and partly by Canonical's habit of shipping broken software . I'll give credit where credits due -- Have you noticed that Agent_24 is the only one who uses ubuntu ( I suspect) is trying to help :thumbs: -- where are all the others here that swear its the bees knees of OS's - Notice no help from them ? :groan: In other words- good when it works, but dont want to know when it turns to custard ---- Shame on them . You may not have noticed, but the Ubuntu stuff is at the bottom of a very long thread entitled 'HD Failure' . I had no idea this thread contained anything Linux-related at all until I read the entire thing this morning; do you really expect every Linux user on PF1 to read to the bottom of a massive thread that is obviously (from the first many posts) about cloning an XP install onto a new HDD from a failing one, even if this topic doesn't interest them at all and they may have no knowledge on it, in the very unlikely hope that they may find a Linux question buried at the bottom of the thread? I would also point out that most Linux users with a high level of knowledge / skill in this area don't run Ubuntu (although there are some exceptions), it's known to have a lot of problems, and has major issues with long-term stability . As such, many of the people who could be expected to know the answers won't even be using Ubuntu, and will often be adapting knowledge from other distros . If this were at the top of a thread entitled 'Ubuntu - no graphics at boot' or something similar, then you may have a point - but given the situation here, you don't really have any grounds for complaint .	Erayd (23)
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