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| Thread ID: 111556 | 2010-08-02 03:19:00 | The foreshore,who's is it? | Cicero (40) | PC World Chat |
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| 1123874 | 2010-08-02 21:46:00 | The foreshore,WHO IS IS IT????? | roddy_boy (4115) | ||
| 1123875 | 2010-08-02 22:08:00 | It’s just another example of Hone Keys support and promotion of separatism. :groan: The only separatism here has been the removal by Parliament of the right under our Constitution for one group of people - Māori - to test their claim of customary title in the Courts. Now THAT was separatism of the racist kind. The odd thing about Moorial's (and Cicero's) witterings is that the only political party that understood this at the time was the Act Party. They opposed the removal of legal access to the Courts when Labour was ramming the law through. All National is doing is restoring what legally existed prior to Helen Clark government's betrayal of Māori (which led to the creation of the Māori Party and the loss by Labour of the Māori electorates in protest at Labour's scandalous behaviour). Don't get sucked in by the disinformation being spread by Moorial and her disciple. |
John H (8) | ||
| 1123876 | 2010-08-02 22:20:00 | The foreshore,WHO IS IS IT????? If you mean "whose is it?" I go back to my first comment - no-one knows, because the then Labour Government took away the legal right for Māori to test this in Court. We have been in limbo ever since. The general understanding by the Crown is that they own it. That is the English legal tradition, and the Crown assumed they could foist this convention on NZ despite having signed the Treaty of Waitangi, guaranteeing Māori protection for their lands, forests and fisheries. When Māori found out through the Court of Appeal that no government had ever taken away their rights to the foreshore and seabed, and that iwi and hapū could test their customary title in Court, the government decided to pass a law that prevented Māori from doing so. This, despite the Court of Appeal indicating it would be extremely difficult for Māori to prove customary title so long after the Treaty was signed. It was the panic mongers like Harrison and Brash (and you can see their Little Sir Echos posting here) who stirred up the government to act. Note that the legislation removing the right of Māori to test their customary title only (effectively) applies to Māori. The Act never took away the property rights of those landowners (mainly Pākehā and corporates) who somehow got title to some chunks of land on the foreshore that prevents the public getting access. Neither did it take away the property rights of the harbour boards, yacht clubs, boating clubs etc that have exclusive access to areas of foreshore. It is therefore an apartheid style law. Note that none of the Ciceros of this world object to those Pākehā landowners forbidding you the right to walk across "their" section of the foreshore. Neither do they object to these landowners charging you for access. They only object to the remote possibility that Māori may be able to test their right to customary title in Court. What does that tell you about them? |
John H (8) | ||
| 1123877 | 2010-08-02 22:40:00 | Well what happened to the Pakeha’s right to test foreshore ownership in Court? My roots go back to the Trounson Kauri Park up North, (my mother was a Trounson) so can I claim that back? :lol: Look it’s straight out Maori hogwash this business of owning the Airwaves, Owning the Sea, Owning the River, Owning the Mountain, Owning the Caves in fact owning everything. Then of course there are no "Full Blooded Maoris" alive, they are all crossbreeds like the rest of us, so we might as well get on with life. The country simply can’t progress whilst Separatism exists and prospers and it’s disappointing to see Key promoting the problem. :groan: |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1123878 | 2010-08-02 22:52:00 | If you mean "whose is it?" I go back to my first comment - no-one knows, because the then Labour Government took away the legal right for Māori to test this in Court . We have been in limbo ever since . When you say "Maori" who do you mean, the tiny percentage of New Zealanders that are over 50% Maori heritage?, or are you talking the majority that are cherry picking there heritage to scam extra benefits, you know the ones that are like 40% English, 30% German, and 30% Maori? . I see people on the news that are whiter than me claiming to be Maori, I have a "Red Head" pale skin female friend something like 1/16 Maori on the Maori electoral roll . The entire process has become a money scamming joke, jokes on me because I'm a Tax payer! |
Battleneter2 (9361) | ||
| 1123879 | 2010-08-02 23:42:00 | This is just another example of the premise: "All New Zealanders are equal but some are more equal than others" In New Zealand he who pays the piper definitely does not call the tune, that right has been ceded to those New Zealanders who are more equal. |
KenESmith (6287) | ||
| 1123880 | 2010-08-03 00:07:00 | Believe it or not lads,the John H's of this country think they are right and we are wrong,I mean to say........ Then we have the Roddy type people,god only knows where they stand? |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 1123881 | 2010-08-03 01:13:00 | The foreshore,WHO IS IS IT????? Probably your foreskin. :lol: :) |
Trev (427) | ||
| 1123882 | 2010-08-03 01:48:00 | Had to have a laugh at this quote from Peter Sharples in the link provided by Snorkbox in post #17. “From the old pā site at Horehore, I can trace my descent back over 46 :eek: generations to Tararoa”. Probably related to Ena and owns Coronation Street too. :rolleyes: |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1123883 | 2010-08-03 02:01:00 | Ha ha this topic can quickly lead to the demise of forum members by banning lol. | prefect (6291) | ||
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