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Thread ID: 111610	2010-08-03 22:46:00	Bring our boys back!	bk T (215)	PC World Chat

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1124454	2010-08-05 09:07:00	Wong, very wong. The US supported the Mujahideen, Ahmad Shah Massoud the key player funded by the CIA against the Soviets, and later he was fighting the Taliban. While the Taliban do consist of some former Mujahideen fighters, but they are not the same at all. The ISI - Pakistani intelligence were key players in making the Taliban during the 90s. Ahmad Shah Massoud was the biggest anti-taliban player in Afghanistan. Assassinated two days before 9/11. Don't get into the anti-war/anti-US BS that Taliban are all anti-Soviet fighter. It is the Northern Alliance that are ex-anti-soviets and they were fighting WITH the Americans against the Taliban. In fact they have been fighting the Taliban since the Soviet withdrawal. It's far more complex than that. Al Qaeda operates on the basis of 'terrorism by proxy' or 'franchise terrorism' where they do very little themselves, rather they encourage people to affiliate with them, provide VERY limited support and even less leadership. They are just there to get people to join their cause rather than their organization. And that's where the problem lies, the Taliban can be defeated because they exist, they have logistical networks they have a chain of command (at some level at least). Al Qaeda does not. They barely exist, there is "no one" to target to disable them operationally speaking, but in the same sense anyone would be affiliated with them and ready to cause chaos. Countries? Seriously man? You really need to read up on the subject matter, you are mission the point of their entire doctrine. and you want to know what iam smoking this is inacurate gobbdly gook, not even understandable.	angry (15305)
1124455	2010-08-05 09:20:00	You cant defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan they are from the majority Pashtuns . The Taliban made a bad choice when they supported Al Quada I am pretty sure from the grief it has caused them in Afganshistan they would choose differently again . We cant win in Afghanistan by just killing Taliban but I dont see a problem killing them, they are evil buggers . Matter of fact they are on par withe the Khmer rouge as far as evility goes imo . Because they got one of ours we could learn from the German army procedure used against partisans and kill 100 of them for one of us . Any fighting and killing Taliban is good training for our troops . If you are a grunt do want to run around Waiberia pretending to play soldiers or get a chance to wax some real enemy, albeit lightly armed enemy . "You cant defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan they are from the majority Pashtuns" This time there isnt any choice, they brought into the binladen jihad, They have to be defeated . " albeit lightly armed enemy . " they have the soviet equivalent of the barrett, 50mm anti aircraft guns, various missiles (shoulder and ground launcher model's) various mgs of heavy calibre, Lightly armed??????????? "Because they got one of ours we could learn from the German army procedure used against partisans and kill 100 of them for one of us . " You want to have a little think about who the 100 that the "ss and einstat groups" shot in retaliation for the 1 german, really were, and reconsider your advocation of that policy .	angry (15305)
1124456	2010-08-05 09:59:00	Is prefect that stupid that he is advocating war crimes?	martynz (5445)
1124457	2010-08-05 10:23:00	Its not yet a war crime to kill the enemy. In fact its actively encouraged in a war lol. I have read reports about some US snipers in Iraq bagging over 50 Iraqi insurgents. Thats just one person. You could say Afghanistan isnt Iraq but its just excuses to me. NZ needs to be the attacker in Afghanistan not the attackee at the moment they are driving around Bamiyon in convoys saying easy meat attack me. Why are we relearning what we have already learned in the Western Desert in 1942? You take the fight to the enemy like the LRDG. Reminds me of the Englanders forgetting all about close in AA defence on ships under attack from low flying planes in the Malvinas. They worked out in Pacific around 1944 guns on guard rails are a beautiful thing	prefect (6291)
1124458	2010-08-05 11:30:00	"Its not yet a war crime to kill the enemy." Under some circumstances it is and the 100 for 1 German policy you admire was applied to civilians.	martynz (5445)
1124459	2010-08-05 12:06:00	I never knew that.	prefect (6291)
1124460	2010-08-05 12:32:00	Its not yet a war crime to kill the enemy. In fact its actively encouraged in a war lol. I have read reports about some US snipers in Iraq bagging over 50 Iraqi insurgents. Thats just one person. You could say Afghanistan isnt Iraq but its just excuses to me. NZ needs to be the attacker in Afghanistan not the attackee at the moment they are driving around Bamiyon in convoys saying easy meat attack me. Why are we relearning what we have already learned in the Western Desert in 1942? You take the fight to the enemy like the LRDG. Reminds me of the Englanders forgetting all about close in AA defence on ships under attack from low flying planes in the Malvinas. They worked out in Pacific around 1944 guns on guard rails are a beautiful thing " Reminds me of the Englanders forgetting all about close in AA defence on ships under attack from low flying planes in the Malvinas. " " Those who do not study history are force to repeat it. " However the range was a lot longer than in 44. Sheffield should have had better meidum range aa defences than it had, also the long range aa defence was pitiful. Had they been up agains an enemy who knew how to use its air attack wing properly, they would have had their asses kicked severly instead of just their pride bruised. Historically the pastun can be beaten, the last time the " Englanders " did this, and took kabul by force, they forgot to send a reinforcing colum. In their arrogance they did not consider that the enemy could, or would regroup. As a result the conquering force was cut off and destroyed. Watching the cycle in helmund makes me think they havent learnt that lesson properly either. Search and destroy can be expensive casualty wise. This is too much of a consiederation in western modern warfare, their is too much weight put on the " Political " consequences of casualty numbers. As opposed to doing what NEEDS to be done. to get " The Job " done.	angry (15305)
1124461	2010-08-05 13:31:00	There again bk T suggests NZ should not be there at all. I am inclined to differ as I don't want to see a new armed conflict on New Zealand soil in so far as I may have to worry about going downtown and looking nervously about at any parked vehicle that may contain any amount of high explosive. Westerners that came to NZ did not actually defeat the Maori and that is why we have the Treaty of Waitangi which still haunts us today as the same treaty is being interpreted in various ways to support various points of view much like the bible, koran, word of mouth, hatred passed down over several generations and etc. The part that really gets me is that the pacifists suggest you just lie down and take it which I would prefer not to do. The likes of the bk T suggest it is none of our business so stay out of it and that attitude is what leads to a number of children ending up bruised, battered or dead due to the actions or inactions of so called care givers.	Snorkbox (15764)
1124462	2010-08-05 13:46:00	There again bk T suggests NZ should not be there at all. I am inclined to differ as I don't want to see a new armed conflict on New Zealand soil in so far as I may have to worry about going downtown and looking nervously about at any parked vehicle that may contain any amount of high explosive. Westerners that came to NZ did not actually defeat the Maori and that is why we have the Treaty of Waitangi which still haunts us today as the same treaty is being interpreted in various ways to support various points of view much like the bible, koran, word of mouth, hatred passed down over several generations and etc. The part that really gets me is that the pacifists suggest you just lie down and take it which I would prefer not to do. The likes of the bk T suggest it is none of our business so stay out of it and that attitude is what leads to a number of children ending up bruised, battered or dead due to the actions or inactions of so called care givers. " The part that really gets me is that the pacifists suggest you just lie down and take it which I would prefer not to do. The likes of the bk T suggest it is none of our business so stay out of it and that attitude is what leads to a number of children ending up bruised, battered or dead due to the actions or inactions of so called care givers." What are you trying to say here??. The rest of society is not every childs care giver. ++ There is most definatly "Im all right apathy" in nz society. Reinforced by the no nuclear ships communist legislation that our economy is still suffering for. The jihad v the rest conflict we are in, is different to all of the past conflicts. The apathetic will probably realise this only as the jihadi sword decapitates them ++ :)	angry (15305)
1124463	2010-08-05 21:42:00	angry said "Reinforced by the no nuclear ships communist legislation that our economy is still suffering for." Evidence please.	martynz (5445)
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