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| Thread ID: 111719 | 2010-08-08 23:28:00 | Dole blungers again | Nomad (952) | PC World Chat |
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| 1125818 | 2010-08-10 00:50:00 | From Porirua? PJ Hi PJ, you have a good memory :) It's been a while, and a lot has changed since then... and Im not in Porirua any more. /thread hijack :p |
SoniKalien (792) | ||
| 1125819 | 2010-08-10 00:56:00 | It's a little-known secret, but economic theory doesn't require that people be employed . So long as supply meets demand, the economy is in balance and that's all the economists want . ('Demand' means the wishes of people with money . If you don't have money, your 'demands' are not counted . ) How many people are employed at the balance point? Could be everybody but it could be just one person - a person with a lot of money . I repeat - there's nothing in economic theory that says people need to be employed |
BBCmicro (15761) | ||
| 1125820 | 2010-08-10 02:03:00 | from the ones we know, the perception of people from overseas is that NZ is more laid back. work life is less demanding and for recreational life. the ones who migrated here, said NZ has a better work life balance, if you lose your job there is the benefit, education may be cheaper for citizens and permanent residents, there is also the student allowance. they also applied for the elderly to come to NZ b/c NZ has the pension. not saying NZ is the only ones, but people tend to factor these things early on, for eg., those who have migrated to canada wants to get others there too incase they get too old and not be eligible. those who school in NZ say that they prefer to go to England or the US or even Australia but NZ is understood to be safer, friendlier and cheaper, the immigration process is maybe quicker. one of the view is that you may not make so much money in NZ but even if you don't have a job you won't starve in NZ. to remain in contact some of they just go overseas annually or 2x a year. to me, it is not surprising with the welfare issue. most people in the world will not choose NZ if they had the option, NZ's attraction has been family life, and welfare. NZ isn't a fast pace of life where you can accelerate your career and head offshore using your NZ credentials. It's not a 24hr city. They are on the bottom of the globe. |
Nomad (952) | ||
| 1125821 | 2010-08-10 02:27:00 | Saying that benefit cost *could* soar to $50 billion is like saying the sun could explode tomorrow. Well it could - it's just unlikely. Phil Goff hit the nail on the head when he said it's not about welfare costs - it's the fact that the jobs aren't out there. 16,000 extra unemployed in the last 3 months! This is Nationals typical knee-jerk reaction to govt expenses - "It's not out fault! Blame it on labour!" You forgot to add the "and lets tax the people more to pay for it" |
Gobe1 (6290) | ||
| 1125822 | 2010-08-10 02:46:00 | So, the Tories are beneficiary bashing again. Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose :groan: |
KarameaDave (15222) | ||
| 1125823 | 2010-08-10 03:00:00 | Damn those blungers. | roddy_boy (4115) | ||
| 1125824 | 2010-08-10 03:03:00 | And their bloody plungers. | KarameaDave (15222) | ||
| 1125825 | 2010-08-10 07:56:00 | I don't think there's anyone here who would want to deny assistance to people who have lost their jobs due to the recession, have a genuine disability, solo parents trying to raise young kids because their deadbeat (ex) partners refuse to pay child support, or any one of a raft of genuine reasons for which the welfare system was designed for. It was never set up to be a lifestyle choice where you have the option not to work because you're too difficult for WINZ to deal with. There are generations of families who have never worked a day in their life, and expect the taxpayer to support them - taxpayers including people who work 50+hr weeks on the minimum wage, contribute to the economy and try to support their families the best they can. To those who claim that the majority of beneficiaries are genuine, hard working people who want to go out and get a job, look carefully at the statistics. 60000 people who have spent the last 10 years on a benefit, and 100000 who have spent 9/10 years on welfare is a huge proportion of our population. Like it or not, Maori are well over-represented in this category - kids who grow up with parents who never worked, who themselves grow up and live off the dole. This is one example where iwi should be stepping in and using the money they get from treaty settlements to create jobs for "their people" - Ngai Tahu has made a start via Ngai Tahu Fisheries and similar ventures create employment for their people and the wider community. If you could halve that $6.5b a year spend on welfare payments, you could use that money to improve healthcare, education, and other for other important and rewarding efforts. Throwing money down the welfare black hole does nothing but help politicians maintain a base of voters who are dependent on them for survival. You can't close the wage gap with Australia when you keep taxing hard working NZers and innovative NZ companies to fund the lifestyles of those who think it's their right not to work. |
somebody (208) | ||
| 1125826 | 2010-08-10 08:48:00 | There must be a lot of opportunities for clay blungers these days. Why don't more of the unemployed exercise the options to become more qualified blungers of clay? Oh well, never mind. |
dvm (6543) | ||
| 1125827 | 2010-08-10 09:24:00 | I don't think there's anyone here who would want to deny assistance to people who have lost their jobs due to the recession, have a genuine disability, solo parents trying to raise young kids because their deadbeat (ex) partners refuse to pay child support, or any one of a raft of genuine reasons for which the welfare system was designed for. It was never set up to be a lifestyle choice where you have the option not to work because you're too difficult for WINZ to deal with. There are generations of families who have never worked a day in their life, and expect the taxpayer to support them - taxpayers including people who work 50+hr weeks on the minimum wage, contribute to the economy and try to support their families the best they can. To those who claim that the majority of beneficiaries are genuine, hard working people who want to go out and get a job, look carefully at the statistics. 60000 people who have spent the last 10 years on a benefit, and 100000 who have spent 9/10 years on welfare is a huge proportion of our population. Like it or not, Maori are well over-represented in this category - kids who grow up with parents who never worked, who themselves grow up and live off the dole. This is one example where iwi should be stepping in and using the money they get from treaty settlements to create jobs for "their people" - Ngai Tahu has made a start via Ngai Tahu Fisheries and similar ventures create employment for their people and the wider community. If you could halve that $6.5b a year spend on welfare payments, you could use that money to improve healthcare, education, and other for other important and rewarding efforts. Throwing money down the welfare black hole does nothing but help politicians maintain a base of voters who are dependent on them for survival. You can't close the wage gap with Australia when you keep taxing hard working NZers and innovative NZ companies to fund the lifestyles of those who think it's their right not to work. Very well put forward I agree with what you say |
gary67 (56) | ||
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