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Thread ID: 111886	2010-08-15 21:57:00	Some welfare stats.	Cicero (40)	PC World Chat

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1128182	2010-08-17 21:11:00	"Zero drink drive limit is rubbish, if you think that will stop the drink drivers as the only ones who crash are the ones over the existing limit anyway....this is a prime example of reactionary politics, and the Labours major pitfall." I lived and worked in several countries and states with a ZERO LIMIT. IT WORKS. It is not a reactonary policy, it is a sane preventative/proactive policy. It frees up enforcement resources, and simplyfies the enforcement prosess by removing all the grey area hair splitting. It makes roading genuinely safer. I dont follow the "its the drunks that have all the crashes" because it really isint. the savings in healt system costs are a bounus not a motivator in this. You need to get real about this, because its a when not if change. Labour however wont do it, havent got the guts. I was not aware that it was their policy??? Key backed away form the limit change at the last minuite, scared of the youth and neandethall back lash at the comming election. "As for raising the drinking age, that too is a load of bollocks. The issue is with binge drinking not drinking per sa. " The issue is with teen abuse of alcahol and substances full stop. Clearly you dont have to deal with groups of drunken teens regularly. I do, even on a monday evening when they should be at home preparing for school we have to deal with gangs of them, drunk and on substances (Which can be a bad mix) supplied by their 18 year old friends, it is also a factor in the teen: crime, pregnancy, dpb, suicide, ect, ect, rate. As you stated elswhere todays youth are more immature, another good reasaon to put the drinkingmage back up. The law change down was a vote buy. Its creating nightmares and mayhem. It must go back up. Well, we will just have to agree to disagree.....you appear to want to punish all for the errors of the few, as I said, reactionary politics...If the current laws were properly enforced we would be all good, however, we have a soft justice and punishment system, we have kids with no respect for adults and full of their rights. I do think the off-license age increase in a great idea, maybe 20 is not high enough. What I was saying above is its not the drivers within the current limits having the accidents, therefore lowering the limit to .5 will do jack ****! But I guess for you its just black & white!	SolMiester (139)
1128183	2010-08-17 21:26:00	Here's another one: we can swap to picking on her now: www.nzherald.co.nz Ignoring" it,"might be a better course. For a small fee my sig is available.	Cicero (40)
1128184	2010-08-17 22:32:00	Oil. After the Mexico fiasco !! not likely now, would be just like the recent mining outcome. Lurking.	Lurking (218)
1128185	2010-08-18 02:06:00	Well, we will just have to agree to disagree.....you appear to want to punish all for the errors of the few, as I said, reactionary politics...If the current laws were properly enforced we would be all good, however, we have a soft justice and punishment system, we have kids with no respect for adults and full of their rights. I do think the off-license age increase in a great idea, maybe 20 is not high enough. What I was saying above is its not the drivers within the current limits having the accidents, therefore lowering the limit to .5 will do jack ****! But I guess for you its just black & white! the dd laws arent black and white, they need to be made so to unclog the courts. not .5 but 0.000 is what is required. kiwi bumhole youth, are among the worst behaved drinkers in the world. Its not about punishment, it about safety and expedency. if you can see that and conceed it, its obvious which group you belong to.	angry (15305)
1128186	2010-08-18 02:52:00	Well, we will just have to agree to disagree.....you appear to want to punish all for the errors of the few..... For the drink driving I can't see who is being punished. If you don't drink and drive your sweet.	rob_on_guitar (4196)
1128187	2010-08-18 04:42:00	After the Mexico fiasco !! not likely now, would be just like the recent mining outcome. Lurking. + what does NZ get out of oil, 4% royalties maybe??? And a few jobs Helen Clark waved goodbye to the oil off taranaki coast (goodbye:wub) and there is a perfectly good refinerey 20 miles away....	Gobe1 (6290)
1128188	2010-08-18 04:59:00	kiwi bumhole youth, are among the worst behaved drinkers in the world. Have you been overseas? I mean real overseas not just Australia youth here are no different from the youth in the UK and most parts of Europe, the drinking culture over there is almost identical to here amongst the young	gary67 (56)
1128189	2010-08-18 05:21:00	Have you been overseas? I mean real overseas not just Australia youth here are no different from the youth in the UK and most parts of Europe, the drinking culture over there is almost identical to here amongst the young We're nowhere as bad as the aussies or poms.	Cato (6936)
1128190	2010-08-18 05:40:00	I would say the Englanders would get the world cup in youth drinking piss and playing up. Even though soccer hooliganism is a big feature of Englander drinking. Doubt there is much diff between New Zealand and Australian drinkers who drink to get drunk just like we have done for hundreds of years. My Dad said if you are going to do something do it properly so I took his advice when drinking piss. Long may the tradition survive of drinking to get drunk. It has its down sides, a massive hangover, thin wallet and the light drinkers make good with the chicks while you are heaving in the gutter. Only thing Oz police arent known for being understanding with drunks playing up because they have guns. Has something changed? is it not cool to get pissed anymore if thats so its sad, when I am drunk all my worries disappear I am happy as a sandman music sounds better to.	prefect (6291)
1128191	2010-08-18 13:01:00	Have you been overseas? I mean real overseas not just Australia youth here are no different from the youth in the UK and most parts of Europe, the drinking culture over there is almost identical to here amongst the young japan thailand hongkong philapines vietnam fiji singapore malaya burma india yemmen saudi kuwait quatar bahrain iraq egypt israel lebanon turkey greece austria hungary switzerland germany poland checoslavakia frogland denmark holland belgium sweden norway america canada mexico barbados curacao trinidad tobago jamacia panama the one at the other end of the canal tahiti, solomons new guinea and aussie nearly forgot korea and taiwan, probably missed some. dubahi	angry (15305)
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