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Thread ID: 115527	2011-01-22 07:57:00	Thinking of buying a new Dell Computer	dianne pierce (13385)	Press F1

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1171804	2011-01-24 00:36:00	Acer = ECS motherboards = :badpc: FirstIN = Colin Brown. Say no more. Who is Colin Brown?...is he dodgy?	SolMiester (139)
1171805	2011-01-24 00:38:00	Can't say I've heard of him either...elaborate?	wratterus (105)
1171806	2011-01-24 01:01:00	computer company bloody forgot the name, went under in the 90's taken a lot of people with him. s	plod (107)
1171807	2011-01-24 01:04:00	See here pressf1.pcworld.co.nz	linw (53)
1171808	2011-01-24 01:14:00	Lets have a look at your components then shall we, dont forget assembly time, and install with W7... edit- here are some prices 100 case\psu? 140 CPU 130 Mobo 150 RAM 80 HDD 170 O/S 770 Total without CL build price of 120 Well you saved me the trouble. :p keeping in mind those are the retail prices that anyone off the street would pay. I just worked out one similar from ascent - Components $720.00 So you really have answered your own challenge -- Can a PC be built cheaper than Dell -- Yes it can. Several things to also keep in mind - while there are no building costs involved, the list of components supplied, RETAIL - are still $79 cheaper. You wanted my Prices ?? I'm not that stupid to give you everything, BUT I can show you some - What I pay. The Dell Spec's -- Your RAM $150 Add GST (www.imagef1.net.nz) --- Hmmmm. CPU add GST (www.imagef1.net.nz) = $108.67 compared to $140.00. Just those two components alone have dropped a system Builders buy price by $116 over retail pricing Thats proof enough that It can be done. Where Dell make their money is not in piddly one off sales, its in BULK sales of cheap PC's Heres an example - I'll round down the price what an average system builder would pay to $240 Less than the Dell Price. No labor, shipping included in that. Build a BASIC PC from basic parts as per Dells --30 Minutes (Being generous) If you were doing more than one, lets say Six all the same components/software. Build the first one, install all software, drivers,programs. 30 min to build, add in another hour --1.5 hours. SYSPREP the unit - take an image once syspreped. While its making the Image, build the next PC. With the Image taken - One PC done ready to ship to user. With the next Built PC - load in the syspreped Image, while thats doing that, build the next PC -- repeat till all six are done Each PC build + image loaded 45 minutes to 1 hour max. Build six a day easily. Cost of parts less than Dells - $240 / PC, x 6 = $1440 - Shipping $8 each = $1392.00 profit + labor combined So thats $1392 to build 6 PC's and ship -- Not to bad for a days wages I'd say. or if you wanted it on one PC $232 profit/Labour for about 1-2 hours work - if you wanted to deduct the Suppliers shipping - $8.00. Often shipping is less or free. I used to build 6-7 PC's a day when I worked at Quays ages ago - exactly how I mentioned above, so I know it can be done.	wainuitech (129)
1171809	2011-01-24 01:34:00	Well you saved me the trouble . :p keeping in mind those are the retail prices that anyone off the street would pay . I just worked out one similar from ascent - Components $720 . 00 So you really have answered your own challenge -- Can a PC be built cheaper than Dell -- Yes it can . Several things to also keep in mind - while there are no building costs involved, the list of components supplied, RETAIL - are still $79 cheaper . You wanted my Prices ?? I'm not that stupid to give you everything, BUT I can show you some - What I pay . The Dell Spec's -- Your RAM $150 Add GST ( . imagef1 . net . nz/files/RAM1295829096 . jpg" target="_blank">www . imagef1 . net . nz) --- Hmmmm . CPU add GST ( . imagef1 . net . nz/files/CPU . jpg" target="_blank">www . imagef1 . net . nz) = $108 . 67 compared to $140 . 00 . Just those two components alone have dropped a system Builders buy price by $116 over retail pricing Thats proof enough that It can be done . Where Dell make their money is not in piddly one off sales, its in BULK sales of cheap PC's Heres an example - I'll round down the price what an average system builder would pay to $240 Less than the Dell Price . No labor, shipping included in that . Build a BASIC PC from basic parts as per Dells --30 Minutes (Being generous) If you were doing more than one, lets say Six all the same components/software . Build the first one, install all software, drivers,programs . 30 min to build, add in another hour --1 . 5 hours . SYSPREP the unit - take an image once syspreped . While its making the Image, build the next PC . With the Image taken - One PC done ready to ship to user . With the next Built PC - load in the syspreped Image, while thats doing that, build the next PC -- repeat till all six are done Each PC build + image loaded 45 minutes to 1 hour max . Build six a day easily . Cost of parts less than Dells - $240 / PC, x 6 = $1440 - Shipping $8 each = $1392 . 00 profit + labor combined So thats $1392 to build 6 PC's and ship -- Not to bad for a days wages I'd say . or if you wanted it on one PC $232 profit/Labour for about 1-2 hours work - if you wanted to deduct the Suppliers shipping - $8 . 00 . Often shipping is less or free . I used to build 6-7 PC's a day when I worked at Quays ages ago - exactly how I mentioned above, so I know it can be done . I think you are being pedantic WT, the prices I listed were ascent prices and Im sure Dell get them way cheaper . CL wouldnt do imaging as they arent selling bulk PC of the same build . A quick build is 90mins . The case selected isnt as flash as the Dell case . . There isnt alot in it! . . . . IMO Dell are still a good price for the money, they will be around for years, though we couldnt guarantee that about you or CL . . . . . . The other point being made was Dell sell millions of these units, a few bad experiences around the web is nothing . . . . . but they wouldnt last long if the components were crap, it could very well be random component failure as with many devices today, to warn someone against a purchase is IMHO FUD .	SolMiester (139)
1171810	2011-01-24 01:51:00	I think you are being pedantic WT, the prices I listed were ascent prices and Im sure Dell get them way cheaper. CL wouldnt do imaging as they arent selling bulk PC of the same build. A quick build is 90mins. The case selected isnt as flash as the Dell case..There isnt alot in it!....IMO Dell are still a good price for the money, they will be around for years, though we couldnt guarantee that about you or CL...... The other point being made was Dell sell millions of these units, a few bad experiences around the web is nothing.....but they wouldnt last long if the components were crap, it could very well be random component failure as with many devices today, to warn someone against a purchase is IMHO FUD. Most places that have a specific build of components use Images - saves time. I do, theres one in particular I use the majority of the same Components, different HDD sizes thats about all, takes around 10 minutes to load the OS/Programs. Images are simple to make, and save time. Yes Dell sell Millions of units, so as expected some do fail. The "usual" failures are budget PC's mainly because they use lower quality parts. If they had say a dozen fail out of a thousand, then thats an acceptable amount possibly. Several people I know who run a business, or work in the industry, always seem to have the budget dells in their workshops being worked on at some time or another. As mentioned before the Business PC's are better Quality. In ten years I have only seen one Business Dell, compared to several of their budget PC's just last year alone. Old story - pay for what you get. One thing is Very clear - once out of the warranty, they don't want to know about it. Sometimes service is simply not there. I have known several people been ignored once their Dell was out of warranty.	wainuitech (129)
1171811	2011-01-24 01:53:00	I think you are being pedantic WT, the prices I listed were ascent prices and Im sure Dell get them way cheaper. CL wouldnt do imaging as they arent selling bulk PC of the same build. A quick build is 90mins. The case selected isnt as flash as the Dell case..There isnt alot in it!....IMO Dell are still a good price for the money, they will be around for years, though we couldnt guarantee that about you or CL...... The other point being made was Dell sell millions of these units, a few bad experiences around the web is nothing.....but they wouldnt last long if the components were crap, it could very well be random component failure as with many devices today, to warn someone against a purchase is IMHO FUD. Dell used ECS boards back in the black dimension days, and they failed an awful lot. The newer ones from what I've seen aren't a lot better. Poor quality capacitors are a big killer, I've yet to see a dell desktop with solid capacitors, like Asus and Gigabyte use, I think Dell (and HP for that matter) used Nichicon capacitors for a long time, you just need to google that name to see that they are rubbish. Apple even had issues with these, didn't stop Dell using them for several series of Optiplex PCs though. Dell do make cheap PCs, although as Wainui has proven you can easily get cheaper. As for value for money - in my mind getting a PC with decent quality components and proper warranties is a lot more desirable than getting a PC with god knows whose components in it, and from a company or individual that you can speak to when something goes wrong. Dell also charge stupid amounts for out of warranty parts, IF you can even get hold of them. Because they use non standard boards and the like they can do this, it's obviously a money making ploy. I've seen a motherboard in a dell Dimension PC worth less than $1100 new cost over $400 + GST. Obviously this is consumer PCs we're talking about, I have no issues with their business machines and support. Even if a smaller company does go under, at least you'll have standard size and design parts in your PC that are easy and cost effective to replace. :2cents:	wratterus (105)
1171812	2011-01-24 01:59:00	Funny you mention Poor quality capacitors Wratterus . One of my customers Has a Dell Business PC, Running Vista . Its out of its warranty, it has 4 caps showing signs of leakage only minor, but there . Every so often the computer plays up, and its not the OS . I rang Dell to see what they would do about the Bad Caps -- they more or less laughed and said sorry - out of warranty .	wainuitech (129)
1171813	2011-01-24 02:13:00	Most places that have a specific build of components use Images - saves time. I do, theres one in particular I use the majority of the same Components, different HDD sizes thats about all, takes around 10 minutes to load the OS/Programs. Images are simple to make, and save time. Yes Dell sell Millions of units, so as expected some do fail. The "usual" failures are budget PC's mainly because they use lower quality parts. If they had say a dozen fail out of a thousand, then thats an acceptable amount possibly. Several people I know who run a business, or work in the industry, always seem to have the budget dells in their workshops being worked on at some time or another. As mentioned before the Business PC's are better Quality. In ten years I have only seen one Business Dell, compared to several of their budget PC's just last year alone. Old story - pay for what you get. One thing is Very clear - once out of the warranty, they don't want to know about it. Sometimes service is simply not there. I have known several people been ignored once their Dell was out of warranty. Well, I guess we will have to agree to disagree about this WT...	SolMiester (139)
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