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Thread ID: 111886	2010-08-15 21:57:00	Some welfare stats.	Cicero (40)	PC World Chat

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1128162	2010-08-17 03:43:00	I think a related issue, is health (or lack off) habits, leading to constant health care (e.g. dialysis, diabetes, etc) and linked to that - dependence on sickness benefits. Gareth Morgan wrote a piece recently in the NZ herald, about those that don't give a "damn" about eating/drinking to excess (more or less) unhealthy foods/drinks. In the end, such people strain the health system, and possibly become increasingly reliant on the benefit system. He believes such people should be stigmatized, awareness/education ramped up, and a special tax on junk food. In some ways, that those people are held accountable during their lives. Some make themselves sick, which it seems, should be prevented to refrain depending on benefits but more so on our health system.	kahawai chaser (3545)
1128163	2010-08-17 04:16:00	Zero drink drive limit is rubbish, if you think that will stop the drink drivers as the only ones who crash are the ones over the existing limit anyway....this is a prime example of reactionary politics, and the Labours major pitfall. As for raising the drinking age, that too is a load of bollocks. The issue is with binge drinking not drinking per sa. I do agree though that the voting age should be raised, as it is perfectly clear, while today's youth are more knowledgeable, they are more immature! "Zero drink drive limit is rubbish, if you think that will stop the drink drivers as the only ones who crash are the ones over the existing limit anyway....this is a prime example of reactionary politics, and the Labours major pitfall." I lived and worked in several countries and states with a ZERO LIMIT. IT WORKS. It is not a reactonary policy, it is a sane preventative/proactive policy. It frees up enforcement resources, and simplyfies the enforcement prosess by removing all the grey area hair splitting. It makes roading genuinely safer. I dont follow the "its the drunks that have all the crashes" because it really isint. the savings in healt system costs are a bounus not a motivator in this. You need to get real about this, because its a when not if change. Labour however wont do it, havent got the guts. I was not aware that it was their policy??? Key backed away form the limit change at the last minuite, scared of the youth and neandethall back lash at the comming election. "As for raising the drinking age, that too is a load of bollocks. The issue is with binge drinking not drinking per sa. " The issue is with teen abuse of alcahol and substances full stop. Clearly you dont have to deal with groups of drunken teens regularly. I do, even on a monday evening when they should be at home preparing for school we have to deal with gangs of them, drunk and on substances (Which can be a bad mix) supplied by their 18 year old friends, it is also a factor in the teen: crime, pregnancy, dpb, suicide, ect, ect, rate. As you stated elswhere todays youth are more immature, another good reasaon to put the drinkingmage back up. The law change down was a vote buy. Its creating nightmares and mayhem. It must go back up.	angry (15305)
1128164	2010-08-17 04:26:00	Hyde good guy, I like his get tough on crooks thinking. He was given up for dead in Epers a few years ago when polls showed the scum sucking commie greens in front, he never gave up. The guys got guts I admire him for going on dancing with the stars. If it was get tough on the right crooks, ok. his punative and vindictive approach WITHOUT A MAJOR OVERHAULL OF THE POLICE AND THE REST OF OUR STATUES FIRST is very wrong. yes our prisons are holiday camps, but he wants to turn the into privitation, which is too far the other way, and makes many more serious offenders for the future. He's standing at the bottom of the cliff with a steel bar bashing all that tumble past. you must address the causes as well as toughen the retribution, all he's intrested in is retribution.	angry (15305)
1128165	2010-08-17 04:53:00	Pension by right huh? Lucky you - I think the pension is going to disappear totally eventually. Yes quite a few of us super annuitants (spell check says two words!) are recovering excess taxation paid in previous years. My investment in super funds for decades was taxed at 33 cents in the dollar, now it's down to the revised figure of 21 cents from 19.5 cents. While in the work force my pay was taxed at the top rate prevailing and pension fund was also paying at the company tax rate. So I for one don't mind getting something back. Nothing is going to last much longer, as the New Zealand deficit has blown out from just over the 100 billion dollar level to over 180 billion! How the h e l l are we going to pull that back, mining's out now, what's left? Lurking.	Lurking (218)
1128166	2010-08-17 04:59:00	Yes quite a few of us super annuitants (spell check says two words!) are recovering excess taxation paid in previous years. My investment in super funds for decades was taxed at 33 cents in the dollar, now it's down to the revised figure of 21 cents from 19.5 cents. While in the work force my pay was taxed at the top rate prevailing and pension fund was also paying at the company tax rate. So I for one don't mind getting something back. Nothing is going to last much longer, as the New Zealand deficit has blown out from just over the 100 billion dollar level to over 180 billion! How the h e l l are we going to pull that back, mining's out now, what's left? Lurking. Yeah I think the NZ economy is in huge trouble. So much debt, people being far to greedy buying and selling overpriced houses. The mounting health costs on the aged population. Poor tax policies, and no compulsory super, which could have been used to reinvest back into NZs infrastructure and companies. Selling our most successful businesses to offshore companies, instead of us earning profits from them, which is where the super schemes could have come in. Policies and regulations that kill NZ businesses, and bog them down in red tape. Social unrest and a culture of entitlements, with youth figures some of the worst in the OECD. Most of our skilled people, including the best doctors, moving offshore where they can earn more, and have a less stressful environment. Being a Low wage economy. And where are we going to get the money from to pay for all the upcoming costs? There doesn't seem to be any plan. Also what jobs summit that was held about 18 months ago, what actually came out of that that has benefited NZ, not much.	robbyp (2751)
1128167	2010-08-17 05:06:00	I'd say most of her debt has probably come from the car - fines. And WINZ give taxi vouchers? They wouldn't even give her a used bus ticket., You think they do stuff like that? You are sadly mistaken. Pension by right huh? Lucky you - I think the pension is going to disappear totally eventually. Move where? She can't change her tertiary institution just like that you know and Auckland is one of the top 2 places in the country for work. How nice you have buses. Depends where she lives but Auckland isn't exactly brilliant for public transport. When I lived in Massey I couldn't believe I could not catch a bus from Triangle rd for instance - a main rd. I said move and presumably she would have NZQA credits which can be moved to another place. Auckland is not the whole world in NZ and I do agree that there is more work in Auckland than where I am. I care not where she lives. If you actually read through the post I made you would see that we have NO public buses apart from School buses which are free, Intercity which are not free and also a free minibus which goes to Waikato Hospital. The selective quoting is noted but none of us know the full circumstances of this person do we. The rest of NZ pay extra levys and taxes for your roads do we not even though a fair percentage do not use said roads? Looking at the upcoming ( possibly ) PressF1 meeting suggested in another thread it looks like the members can't agree on a date far less a venue. Possibly if she gets qualified she may be able to work from home via the Internet. You also have failed to indicate whether you have job and if so then where and doing what? I'd really not like to be your partner in life as you appear to be the Major General of SWMBO and put him down as being tech challenged and needs a GPS. Have you sorted him a job yet? If you fail to answer either of the two questions in the two paragraphs above I will promote you to Field Marshall which is a rank not available in NZ at this time but maybe if Metla get to be President he could change all that I hope.	Snorkbox (15764)
1128168	2010-08-17 06:32:00	I said move and presumably she would have NZQA credits which can be moved to another place . Auckland is not the whole world in NZ and I do agree that there is more work in Auckland than where I am . I care not where she lives . If you actually read through the post I made you would see that we have NO public buses apart from School buses which are free, Intercity which are not free and also a free minibus which goes to Waikato Hospital . The selective quoting is noted but none of us know the full circumstances of this person do we . The rest of NZ pay extra levys and taxes for your roads do we not even though a fair percentage do not use said roads? Looking at the upcoming ( possibly ) PressF1 meeting suggested in another thread it looks like the members can't agree on a date far less a venue . Possibly if she gets qualified she may be able to work from home via the Internet . You also have failed to indicate whether you have job and if so then where and doing what? I'd really not like to be your partner in life as you appear to be the Major General of SWMBO and put him down as being tech challenged and needs a GPS . Have you sorted him a job yet? If you fail to answer either of the two questions in the two paragraphs above I will promote you to Field Marshall which is a rank not available in NZ at this time but maybe if Metla get to be President he could change all that I hope . "The rest of NZ pay extra levys and taxes for your roads do we not even though a fair percentage do not use said roads?" garbage . the auckland reigion has been systematically stripped of it petrol, road, and generall tax revenues, since those taxes were brought into existance . only since 2001 has there been a small stemming of the gross outflow of taxes from the auckland reigon . IF the present inflow of road tax investment continues unabated, the rest of new zealand may pay off it tax debt to auckland in about 150 years . And my point of origin in new zealand is CH CH . this bash auckland, were all paying for auckland bs, is nearl as bad as the yank's and israel are resposible for all evil bs :annoyed:	angry (15305)
1128169	2010-08-17 06:32:00	Looking at the upcoming ( possibly ) PressF1 meeting suggested in another thread it looks like the members can't agree on a date far less a venue . You also have failed to indicate whether you have job and if so then where and doing what? I'd really not like to be your partner in life as you appear to be the Major General of SWMBO and put him down as being tech challenged and needs a GPS . The venue is always the same and the date seems to be the 11th . My employment status has been discussed before, including updates on it . I don't think it needs to be dragged out again . And if my husband is tech challenged so what . He happily agrees with that and couldn't care less . Why do you?	pctek (84)
1128170	2010-08-17 06:59:00	Ooh, soo tempted to get involved in this discussion, but I wont! Too many harsh words! LL	lakewoodlady (103)
1128171	2010-08-17 09:35:00	In the News. "2700 people turn up to apply for 150 jobs at a new New World Supermarket in Auckland". There is always a lot of comment on this Forum about people getting off their bums, off Welfare, & get a job.What jobs. If you take people off wefare then how will they live? Easy.From YOUR Fridge & Pantry at your house whilst you are out. By Metlas own statement. He applied for over 300 jobs before he got one. I know Metla & I would definitely NOT say that he is unimployable, like many are. PJ	Poppa John (284)
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