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Thread ID: 111959	2010-08-18 07:34:00	Climte Change.	Cicero (40)	PC World Chat

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1129073	2010-08-18 21:57:00	Name one other animal on the planet that has a population of 6 billion other than humans. Rats, mice...	johcar (6283)
1129074	2010-08-18 22:02:00	Name one other animal on the planet that has a population of 6 billion other than humans. Wouldn't have a clue.....think rats and mice far outnumbers humans. I was emphasising how our first world lifestyles hog natural resources so much. If we lived simpler (and of course, automatically harder) lives like they did back say, 10k years ago the planet's resources, mainly fresh water and arable land wouldn't be as constrained as they are now.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
1129075	2010-08-18 22:11:00	(snip) I was emphasising how our first world lifestyles hog natural resources so much. If we lived simpler (and of course, automatically harder) lives like they did back say, 10k years ago the planet's resources, mainly fresh water and arable land wouldn't be as constrained as they are now. But that would mean the end of capitalism as we know it. Wait...	John H (8)
1129076	2010-08-18 22:23:00	I recon these guys were right. :lol: www.time.com Dated June 24, 1974!! :D Interestingly, there was even a faction insisting that Man was responsible for the climate back then too: "Man, too, may be somewhat responsible for the cooling trend." Note that the key factor back then was cooling, not warming... Just goes to show, they didn't know for sure then, and they don't know for sure now: either whether the planet is cooling or warming, or whether it's man-made or external/natural.	johcar (6283)
1129077	2010-08-18 22:32:00	Dated June 24, 1974!! :D Interestingly, there was even a faction insisting that Man was responsible for the climate back then too: "Man, too, may be somewhat responsible for the cooling trend." Note that the key factor back then was cooling, not warming... Just goes to show, they didn't know for sure then, and they don't know for sure now: either whether the planet is cooling or warming, or whether it's man-made or external/natural. Not to worry,007 will know.	Cicero (40)
1129078	2010-08-18 22:37:00	Wouldn't have a clue.....think rats and mice far outnumbers humans. If we lived simpler (and of course, automatically harder) lives like they did back say, 10k years ago the planet's resources, mainly fresh water and arable land wouldn't be as constrained as they are now. Animal population studies are, in general, very difficult. Populations are not uniform and are often changing. The best way to accurately study population density is to perform field surveys, which is costly and takes a lot of time. Large cities do such surveys occasionally, but rough estimates are the best they can do. In 1949, for example, the rat population in New York City was estimated at 1 rat per 36 people, or about 250,000 rats at the time. The only thing more numerous than people is insects. And some of them have a problem now - like bees. As for simpler lives - try giving everyone on the plant a 1/4 acre of decent fertile land to live self sufficiently now. You can't. Kill of a good 9/10s and we'll do OK. Solve unemployment as well.	pctek (84)
1129079	2010-08-19 00:46:00	So what conclusion have you come to,that is the question . ? Well Cicero seeing you asked: ;) 1: I believe Man Made Global Warming is load of hogwash . :eek: 2: I believe that Climate Change is a natural phenomenon and has nothing to do with Supermarket Shopping Bags . :eek: I base these beliefs upon the following . Over 100 years ago Rowald Amundsen sailed through the North West Passage, so I guess the ice was melting then too . In a link I just can’t find at the moment the Greenies found a very old fence that had popped out of the ice . This was put forward as definite proof the ice was melting . No credence was given to the fact that there couldn’t have been any ice there when the fence was built . Again we can’t blame car exhausts and shopping bags . In 1974 the experts predicted we were entering an Ice Age . See link already posted to Time Magazine article back then . Just recently we have had Volcanic Eruptions around the world (not just Iceland) and the carbon omissions from them, let alone the deliberately lit Oil Fires in the Gulf of Mexico, made all our carbon reduction efforts totally insignificant . Even in little old NZ I wonder how many shopping bags Rotorua alone accounts for every day . Now don’t get me wrong, I am not in favour of wanton pollution . Indeed I believe rubbish dumps (whoops Transfer Stations) should be open every day through daylight hours and people should be able to dispose of their rubbish free of charge so the different types of rubbish can be handled appropriately . But pollution is one thing, Global Warming and Climate Change is quite another .	B.M. (505)
1129080	2010-08-19 01:12:00	Well said B.M.	johcar (6283)
1129081	2010-08-19 01:30:00	In 1971 my geography teacher a Mr Stewart at Mot High said we aere going into another mini Ice age. Didnt doubt him then dont doubt him now.	prefect (6291)
1129082	2010-08-19 02:17:00	In 1971 my geography teacher a Mr Stewart at Mot High said we aere going into another mini Ice age. Didnt doubt him then dont doubt him now. These days the emphasis is on weather extremes or anomalies. The term global warming is outdated at best and climate change does not necessarily mean global warming. The problem with climate models churned out by scientists these days is the way they produce the results - it's always the averages that they convey, ignoring the fact that it is very much irrelevant to our lives as it is the weather anomalies that actually affect us the most. And that all these models tend to always focus on the extreme possiblities which the media love to feast on. As for simpler lives - try giving everyone on the plant a 1/4 acre of decent fertile land to live self sufficiently now. You can't. Kill of a good 9/10s and we'll do OK. Solve unemployment as well. Of course today we first-worlders won't be able to force ourselves to live such hard lives.....hell I don't even want to! :p At today's rate, for the event in which first world humans would have to go back to all being miserable hunters and farmers, a nuclear war of some sort will precede it. Kill 9/10 of the pop pc? Gonna arm yourself with a plasma gun are ya? :D	qazwsxokmijn (102)
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