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Thread ID: 112213	2010-08-28 01:30:00	Burqa's in New Zealand	carlyh (15962)	PC World Chat

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1132426	2010-08-28 22:19:00	Or, you could just stay out of other peoples business and they can continue to stay out of yours. At the very least by being in this country they have the opportunity to break free of their culture if they find it as disgusting as you do, either way, its still none of your business.	Metla (12)
1132427	2010-08-29 00:39:00	We should invent our own religion that says you must find people wearing burqas and pull them off. If they complain, just say "My religion says I must do that"	Agent_24 (57)
1132428	2010-08-29 00:57:00	My wife was waiting for a train recently in Perth, she sat next to a lady wearing the Burqa who made the following comment to her......... *have a good look, one day you will all be wearing one* More recently there has been debate in Australia regarding a lady that wanted to wear the Burqa in court. She claimed off memory religious reasons. A few days later a well known Muslim Prof of something or other wrote a very good piece regarding the Burqa. He pointed out that there is nothing in the Koran that states that women must wear the Burqa or similair outfits. Claims that it is a hang over from the ages in certain tribal area's. He then goes on to point out that if those people want to live in Australia or anywhere else, they should start learning there new adopted cultures rather than insisting that there new adopted country bend over backwards for them. Food for thought. My own view...........if some one wants to wear what ever, there choice, probably better they are wearing something rather than nothing......as long as they don't force there views on me.	PinoyKiw (9675)
1132429	2010-08-29 01:30:00	If I was a girl and went to a Sharia style country and wore a short mini skirt, I don't think they'd let me. (especially aged 60 as I am) I think that immigrants coming here should follow our customs as best they can. And yes in court, on airplanes and in banks they should not be allowed.	Digby (677)
1132430	2010-08-29 02:26:00	Disneyland has a problem with this same situation:: Disneyland gets accused of discrimination . Imane Boudlal, a 26-year-old Muslim woman, has filed a complaint against Disneyland . She says the management won't let her wear her headscarf while she's in front of customers at the Magic Kingdom . Here is how she defines the situation . IMANE BOUDLAL, (FILED COMPLAINT AGAINST DISNEYLAND): I'm not here to scare anybody . I want to keep my job . I'm a human being, and I have feelings . INGRAHAM: Joining us now from Orange County, California, is Ms . Boudlal's attorney, Ameena Qazi . Ameena, a lot of folks are watching this across the country and they're trying to get their minds wrapped around this . This employee of Disneyland, they're called cast members -- they're all called cast members at Disney . She, for two years, did not ask to wear a headscarf, as I -- as I understand it, and then during Ramadan, as a hostess in one of the restaurants or one of the attractions at Disney, she decided she wanted to wear the headscarf . And so what was the, you know -- what was the impetus for the change in the way she wanted to conduct herself at Disney? AMEENA QAZI, IMANE BOUDLAL'S ATTORNEY: You know, Imane, like many people out there, go through spiritual changes . Some people become born again; some people's religious practices changes . Imane is no different . She wanted to wear the headscarf in public and at work, and she requested to do so at her job as a hostess server, which is essentially like a waitress, at the California -- Grand Californian Hotel, which is owned and operated by Disney Company . She made the request in June, waited and waited, and finally she decided that she needed to start wearing it by Ramadan because of her religious practices . INGRAHAM: So -- so as I understand it, Disney made two efforts to try to accommodate her . One effort was you could wear the head scarf but you also had to wear, I guess, the hat that -- one of the hats that other people wear, cast members . The other was, OK, if you want to wear your headscarf, you can work backstage or in the back where, you know, you won't be out of uniform -- the uniform that all the other Disney cast members are wearing . What was wrong with either of those two options, given the fact that she signed an agreement when she went to work for Disney that she agreed to all these strict, very strict rules for dress, conduct -- I think no tattoos; men can't have facial hair . I mean, she knew what those rules are when she signed on . QAZI: Right . Well, first of all in Disney's policies there actually is a paragraph that says that any exceptions for religious purposes can be made and requested to the casting director or to HR . So Disney's obligations to religiously accommodate her, I think is fairly dispositive . As far as the actual attempts that they have made, you know, they weren't bona fide attempts to our understanding . They weren't reasonable . Wearing the hat -- there's not a single other hostess server in the restaurant who has to wear that hat . INGRAHAM: Because they're not wanting to wear a headscarf though . I mean, other people aren't asking to wear a headscarf . Other people signed onto a set of rules that no one forced them to sign . She wanted to work at Disney, happiest place on Earth . I go to Disney, and everybody signs on to project an image . And what I see is that private companies are now not allowed to brand themselves in a certain way, because if they do, someone is going to come along -- it doesn't have to be a Muslim, could be someone else -- says, "No, this doesn't work for me . I demand the terms of my employment to be changed . " QAZI: Well, Imane is not demanding anything but equal treatment under the law, and the law is fairly clear . It's not a new law; it's an old law . It's the Civil Rights Act of 1964, specifically Title 7, which guarantees her the right to religious accommodation for her sincerely held religious beliefs . So she's just made that simple request to Disney, and we're really hard-pressed to see why this simple request to wear a headscarf -- you can see I'm wearing a headscarf . I've been wearing it for 14 years . INGRAHAM: But you don't work for Disney . QAZI: . . . high school . No, but I've worked for many institutions, many organizations . INGRAHAM: Disney is Disney . It's Disney . It's a small world . It's Epcot Center . You know, it's all -- you know, the Disney stuff . That's what Disney does . If you don't want to do it, don't like Disney or you don't like the rules, work somewhere else . I mean, work somewhere where, you know, it's fine . The idea that Disney is discriminating -- I was just at Disney World last month on my book tour and, you know, I saw plenty of Muslims at Disney . You know, customers, they were going on rides . I mean, full burkas, the whole deal . I mean, I thought -- didn't seem like people were discriminating against anyone . It's just a look of the people who, you know, who work there . I just -- I don't know . I just think it's building distrust . QAZI: I see your point, right . Right, and I hear your point . I mean, I myself went to Disney not too long ago -- Disneyland a month or so ago . I mean, we're not complaining of patrons as how we're treated . It's the exact irony of the situation that, as an employee . . . INGRAHAM: All right . I appreciate it . QAZI: . . . she doesn't have the right to wear the hijab . INGRAHAM: All right, Ameena . Thanks so much . Whatchathink? Is Disney fair or not? Don't forget that for two years she was OK and now she demands they change to accommodate her . I don't like much - if anything - Disney does, but I side with them here .	SurferJoe46 (51)
1132431	2010-08-29 03:00:00	I don't find the burka fetching,therefore they should be banned. The ability to discriminate between one thing and another,is a useful quality.	Cicero (40)
1132432	2010-08-29 03:04:00	He then goes on to point out that if those people want to live in Australia or anywhere else, they should start learning there new adopted cultures rather than insisting that there new adopted country bend over backwards for them. Absolutely. So all those people that invaded Australian should have stripped off their clothes, moved into the outback and started hunting kangaroos like the natives.	pctek (84)
1132433	2010-08-29 03:23:00	They didn't invade most were sent remember and probably arrived without much clothing	gary67 (56)
1132434	2010-08-29 05:32:00	Sent Lol and probaly in rags Poms: Prisoners of mother england. The burka will get banned here sooner or later I would just like it sooner. I am not even happy with Muslims wearing a scarf in NZ. Egypt and Turkey will not allow the scarf to be worn in public buildings. They are Muslim countries so go figure the reason.	prefect (6291)
1132435	2010-08-29 05:56:00	Sent Lol and probably in rags Poms: Prisoners of mother england. The burka will get banned here sooner or later I would just like it sooner. I am not even happy with Muslims wearing a scarf in NZ. Egypt and Turkey will not allow the scarf to be worn in public buildings. They are Muslim countries so go figure the reason. Try to remember Pre,those poms have a 2000 history as apposed to your 6 weeker. Hard to accrue a culture in that time.	Cicero (40)
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