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| Thread ID: 115904 | 2011-02-08 20:40:00 | Bing exposed - but are we really surprised? | Strommer (42) | Press F1 |
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| 1176405 | 2011-02-09 00:48:00 | Agree SM - I don't trust Google but I don't blame them (or any company) for trying to protect their IP. I wouldnt consider it Googles Intellectual Property. They just link to other websites and peoples IP |
Gobe1 (6290) | ||
| 1176406 | 2011-02-09 00:52:00 | I wouldnt consider it Googles Intellectual Property. They just link to other websites and peoples IP The search algorithms they use, and the results produced by it, I'm sure you will find are technically classed as Googles IP. The content linked to, of course, is not. |
inphinity (7274) | ||
| 1176407 | 2011-02-09 05:04:00 | What's the problem? It's in the T&Cs of the Bing toolbar that Microsoft may use clickstream data to help improve their search results. Microsoft has just scared Google by producing a search engine which is actually good and can actually compete with Google in any meaningful way - unlike the old MSN search and so on. Google would be doing exactly the thing same through their toolbar and AdSense - that's the whole point of gathering clickstream information after all (plus building profiles up about users, etc. etc.) |
somebody (208) | ||
| 1176408 | 2011-02-09 08:01:00 | If I told everyone to head down to the local dairy for the best gaming computers at super low prices on my website, and this advice turned up on a lot of other websites, I would suspect a lot of automated COPYING going on! | PPp (9511) | ||
| 1176409 | 2011-02-09 08:14:00 | I certainly dont trust google, ....... Would you mind elaborate on that. |
notechyet (4479) | ||
| 1176410 | 2011-02-09 08:59:00 | I certainly dont trust google, but it appears MS is using google's search engine to replicate search result...and that isnt on! Yeah but that's not what happened. This clarification (searchengineland.com) is from the same guy who first published Google's accusation. This means that, in the end, Bing has crowdsourced the most popular pages linked to search terms from a wide range of search engines. That’s clever. This search signal, which isn’t purely from Google but does contain many Google searches (because Google’s is searched on so much), is then added into the wide range of other signals that Bing uses to rank pages. “We aggregate the information,” Shum said. “The entire clickstream gets weighted along with different signals,” he explained. It comes from observing the clickstream of someone who has chosen to allow that. Nothing is being copied from Google.com. The question is ... Does your clickstream belong to Google, and should they be saying you can't let anyone see it? Or does it belong to you, who have the choice to whether to let Bing observe that anonymous data? cheers W |
waldok (15185) | ||
| 1176411 | 2011-02-09 09:10:00 | From that article: So Why The Dispute? If it’s easy to show that Bing doesn’t do wholescale copying, if it’s easy to find “tail” searches where there’s no evidence of copying, then why has Google gone to the extraordinary lengths of accusing its chief rival of being a cheater? As I wrote in my original article, it’s because Google does see evidence that Bing is learning ways to improve its results especially for unusual queries and spelling corrections where it says huge amounts of engineering time are spent getting the right answers. To Google, that it’s not wholescale copying doesn’t make the issue less of a concern. For Google, Bing seems to be cherrypicking the best stuff (though Google hasn’t shown more than one example of this). Read between the lines - google are worried that competition is catching up, and will one day threaten the lead they currently have = $$ lost. |
wainuitech (129) | ||
| 1176412 | 2011-02-09 09:14:00 | What's the problem? It's in the T&Cs of the Bing toolbar that Microsoft may use clickstream data to help improve their search results. Microsoft has just scared Google by producing a search engine which is actually good and can actually compete with Google in any meaningful way - unlike the old MSN search and so on. I wonder how many IE users understood that MS were using their bandwidth to try and improve their crappy search engine. |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 1176413 | 2011-02-09 18:29:00 | I wonder how many IE users understood that MS were using their bandwidth to try and improve their crappy search engine. Unfortunately most people just click "I Accept" to the lengthy T&Cs and privacy policies without reading them. How many users of Amazon.com know that they are tracking clickstream behaviour to improve their search results, strategically "suggest" products, and use for other advertising purposes? How many users of Google's toolbar understand that Google are capturing information about what you search for, and what links you click on as a result of that search? The bottom line is that Bing isn't doing anything that different from other companies - the only difference is that in this case Google is scared that Microsoft is has actually got a search engine which can compete with theirs so needs to stir up some controversy. Remember that a number of features introduced in Bing have been copied by Google (gmanendra.blogspot.com) so obviously Google are seeing a threat. |
somebody (208) | ||
| 1176414 | 2011-02-09 20:36:00 | Would you mind elaborate on that. Are you serious?, google track everything you search on, in and think about...There was a big write up about the data they store on everyone a number of months ago!! Its one of the reason I dont use their indexing\toolbar software... |
SolMiester (139) | ||
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