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Thread ID: 115889	2011-02-08 00:20:00	Recommended me a UPS	nedkelly (9059)	Press F1

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1176219	2011-02-08 02:39:00	Just did a very quick Demo as to what a UPS does Its one of the remaining Liberts in the workshop, only has 6 plugs, but the APC has 8, + normal power sockets. I have a PC running, switch off the power. Now imagine 4-5 of these all in the same area all doing their "thing". :waughh: Not to bad in they are all in sync :D Video Demo (www.youtube.com) Notice the PC is still running quite happy.	wainuitech (129)
1176220	2011-02-08 03:14:00	I had a cheap bottom of the range UPS I relegated to network hardware as it couldn't handle the load of my PC but I did use the surge only outputs to feed my entire setup of 2 PC's, 2 printers , cordless ph etc. A couple of weeks ago it died and took out my GigE switch in the process. When I opened it up the battery had split down the side. I'm not sure as it's now somewhere in the council tip but I believe it was a powerware 350VA and something like 3-5 years old. A good UPS should last a long time, and only need the batteries replaced periodically. The way things go these days though a new unit is probably cheaper than new batteries.	dugimodo (138)
1176221	2011-02-08 03:22:00	That could very well solve my power issue :)	DeSade (984)
1176222	2011-02-08 04:53:00	Not to be a dampener her, but isn't UPS a little overkill for home use. Surge protection I can understand but the need to keep things running in a non-critical environment seems quite drastic. Besides if the power went out and you were not able to get back home to properly shut down the computers they would just power off the same way in the event of a power loss. I only say this because the OP doesn't mention why the need for a UPS, well at least no mention of something that is critical? Just my 2c worth. Thanks,	chiefnz (545)
1176223	2011-02-08 05:47:00	No a UPS is not really an over Kill for a home user. Data corruption is easily caused by the PC shutting down at usually the wrong time, or brownouts. Have a read of this (www.thexlab.com) and This as well (www.componentcontrol.com) Besides if the power went out and you were not able to get back home to properly shut down the computers they would just power off the same way in the event of a power loss. No not the case - almost all software that comes with a UPS has the ability to correctly shut down the PC in a controlled manner either when the battery starts to gets to low too continue, or at a set time, say 3 minutes if running on batteries. In fact I have a classic example here right now. Yesterday, the Owner of the PC had some work done on his Power to the house. The repair guy advised he had to kill the power to the house - the owner of the PC said - give me a few minutes to shut down our 2 Computers. He had one shut down, and the other he had just gotten to and wham! the power went off. Now the Computer wont boot into windows, it gets to loading drivers, then reboots, the OS is totally corrupted. Taken me a good part of the day just to get to a stage to clone his drive, the OS is to corrupted to clone - Yet the Other PC is fine. Had he have had a UPS (he has a good surge protector) the problem would not have happened - the PC was running perfect before the power cut.	wainuitech (129)
1176224	2011-02-08 08:04:00	No a UPS is not really an over Kill for a home user. Data corruption is easily caused by the PC shutting down at usually the wrong time, or brownouts. Nothing a good backup strategy cannot fix? Its significantly cheaper to setup a backup methodology than getting UPS installed. Besides.... UPS won't stop your hardware from failing. Getting back up and running is not dependant on UPS but on availability of your data and ease of restoring it to a new disk if the need arises. I'm not saying UPS is irrrelevant, I'm just saying it is less relevant in a home environment where one is less likely to find a mission critical computing environment. I would rather put more effort into a backup strategy for my data than I would for availability of power. It's all good and well your Home PC's/servers can run on UPS power for 8 hours straight without issue but that is about as useless as T1TS on a bull if your data isn't available due to disk failure etc. Thanks,	chiefnz (545)
1176225	2011-02-08 08:56:00	Nothing a good backup strategy cannot fix? Its significantly cheaper to setup a backup methodology than getting UPS installed. Besides.... UPS won't stop your hardware from failing. Getting back up and running is not dependant on UPS but on availability of your data and ease of restoring it to a new disk if the need arises. I'm not saying UPS is irrrelevant, I'm just saying it is less relevant in a home environment where one is less likely to find a mission critical computing environment. I would rather put more effort into a backup strategy for my data than I would for availability of power. It's all good and well your Home PC's/servers can run on UPS power for 8 hours straight without issue but that is about as useless as T1TS on a bull if your data isn't available due to disk failure etc. Thanks, You are right about the backups. If the whole OS is corrupted and there are no backups done,the data still has to be retrieved before reinstalling. The example I gave re the customer had the PC shut down to a sudden power cut yesterday - they have a 160GB drive with 140GB used - NO backups. For the sake of less than $200 for a device that can and does save computers from power damage, they are worth it. Lots of Basic Surge protectors are utter crap - a good one is only slightly less than a basic UPS. So going by that experience, had they had a UPS it would have saved his OS and current problems. The basic UPS's wont run for 8 hours, generally 10-15 minutes depending on loads, then they shut the PC down as if a normal shutdown. Ages ago, a UPS I put into a persons house actually could have saved their lives. The UPS would trigger every 5 minutes, in the end after replacing it thinking it may be faulty, the owner got in a electrician to test the power. Some of the wiring was so old and damaged in the house it was showing signs of burning. The Sparky said it was lucky it didn't catch fire. The UPS was detecting power fluctuations. The Surge protector he had previously didn't do anything, because they weren't actually surges.	wainuitech (129)
1176226	2011-02-08 10:36:00	How long would that one last Wainuitech? You might be right inphinity might get smaller one for the modem and router but It will need to have the 3 pin wall point on it. I built an adapter to go with mine. Take a computer power lead with C14 plug (en.wikipedia.org) on the end, cut the other end off, and wire on an in-line standard power socket. Make as many of these as you need to connect normal devices to your UPS.. (Within reason! And no Laser printers!)	Agent_24 (57)
1176227	2011-02-08 18:57:00	Awesome. Right something else im going to try save up for.	nedkelly (9059)
1176228	2011-02-08 19:23:00	I would rather put more effort into a backup strategy for my data than I would for availability of power. Given that power-related faults are one of the biggest single causes of immediate drive failure, they're a little interlinked - prevention is better than cure ;) Do I think every home user needs a UPS? Nope. But certainly worthwhile if they're prepared to put just a little money in to it.	inphinity (7274)
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