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Thread ID: 147828	2019-05-03 04:54:00	Living allowance, livable?	the_bogan (9949)	PC World Chat

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1460399	2019-05-06 23:53:00	Actually it's more like 45 years old where the barriers come up I found. They want young people they can easily exploit who will go hell for leather without thinking much for a pittance. They want young foolishly enthusiastic people that will follow orders blindly and not suggest better ways of doing things. . Im in the age bracket where I would find it rather hard to get any sort of descent job, I'd possibly end up in bunnings or on some min wage warehouse/factory job if I lost this job. I can fully understand why employers would prefer to hire younger employees , why wouldnt they. They would be more enthusiastic, less likely to question instructions or argue with supervisors, wont resent being on a lower wage menial job than they did for the last 20 years , fitter , less likely to get sick .	1101 (13337)
1460400	2019-05-07 00:07:00	Yes but what gives you the edge as an employer, in a competitive business arena, is if everyone else has the younger people you are talking about then employing people who will be on top of the job and able to innovate and think on the hoof and come up with the best strategies to suit the circumstances will make your business the leader, and those are older experienced employees who know the ropes. A business full of poorly paid dumbf**ks with a power tripping but incompetent leadership is not the way to run a successful enterprise.	zqwerty (97)
1460401	2019-05-07 01:12:00	I'd possibly end up in bunnings or on some min wage warehouse/factory job if I lost this job. . No you wouldn't. Husband tried that ages ago. Plumbing dept at Mitre10. Got the usual excuses and they hired 2 part time mums instead. Who knew nothing at all about the products.	piroska (17583)
1460402	2019-05-07 01:27:00	Yes but what gives you the edge as an employer . . . . . . is not employing someone 10 years away from retirement, not someone set in their ways & less likely to adhere to different ways of doing things . You would hire someone in their late 20's to 30's . Not someone in their fifties . Someone young who hasnt been ground down into cynicism . Just the same as you wouldnt hire teenagers or very early 20's : those likely to come in hungover, more likely to leave for other jobs or leave to go on overseas holidays I see plenty of older staff who really cant be arsed spending the time to learn new skills ( eg computor skills) This is all generalizing of course . Some companies will pick older applicants for certain jobs . Even when in my 40's , I was advised by a recruitment agency not to include date of birth or age on my CV . Its not fair, but life isnt fair . So I wouldnt get jobs even at Bunnings, bummer . So I may be unemployable when I get made redundant here (just a matter of time) .	1101 (13337)
1460403	2019-05-07 05:41:00	not someone set in their ways & less likely to adhere to different ways of doing things. This is all generalizing of course. Some companies will pick older applicants for certain jobs. . Uhuh. All the usual nonsense excuses given. The other one is older people are not IT literate and struggle with it. Yep, like all of us here right?	piroska (17583)
1460404	2019-05-07 09:29:00	Scary as it may seem to say it and recognize it as a fact, I think that most people regularly on this site are above average intelligence, LOL. Incidentally I would use this: "define intelligence as the ability to understand" (Sacha Redondo)	zqwerty (97)
1460405	2019-05-07 10:06:00	I worked in Mitre10 after my shoulder surgery when I was told being a builder was no longer an option for me. I got a job on the shop floor. Ended up as their kitchen designer earning more than the supervisors, I was 46 when I started there. That start led me into a job with a joinery company doing the same thing kitchen design but for more money using the same software. I left that job and at 49 got a job with another mitre10 pricing all the house builds off the plans for all the builder clients. However I had gone and done a basic IT diploma to get myself up to speed which is when I joined this forum. Since moving here I have gone back to building as its a very small town and it was that or unemployment. So it is possible but I do realise I have been very lucky too.	gary67 (56)
1460406	2019-05-07 10:17:00	I wonder if there is a correlation between the people who can't see that global warming is a reality and can't see in the same way how the economy of the country as a whole is not well served by the small-minded philosophy of right-wing business people. That a whole lot of people working flat out and combining into corporations has brought us to the point where we may not even have a future at all. We were taught at University Economics 101 that about 10% of the population can serve all the physical needs of the rest of the community, ie food, housing etc, thus the rest of the population is free to do as they please to get some money tokens to participate in the economy or not ie burger flipping or hairdressing for instance. The problem is not to run the economy it's to distribute the wealth of the country in an equitable way to all concerned, as none of us are really going anywhere at all except making more or less revolutions around the Sun, and there is nowhere else to go anyway. I like what you've said, and in your post that followed. So what we have is kind of what you suggest above, except 90% goes to the greedy corporations, and the rest of us make do on the remaining 10%. I used to work for a greedy corporation. The guy at the top with $10 thousand million, in his 80's , and essentially having his minions whipping the staff, and their customers for more, more, more. The few disposable $ in pensioner Mrs Jones bank, after 12 months of scrimping, were supposed to be more important to the billionaire than to Mrs Jones. The billionaire, with few years left to live, but enough money to live handsomely for 1000 lifetimes still wanted, nay, demanded more. His greed was insatiable, which ultimately made working for him feel absurd at best, and bordering on disgraceful. To add to the offense, he (arguably, not yet proven) used tricks to reduce his Aussie tax (ie shift profits through a tax haven, manipulate prices on imported products) (NZ tax figures not publicly accessible), to the degree that his hundreds (possibly thousands) of Aussie retial outlets collectively only generated a taxable income of $5 million. So, he pours a million dollars into a typical retail outlet, but accepts only $10,000 per annum profit from each? 1% return? Yeah, think again. We're all being robbed. Even when we think we're getting a bargain.	Paul.Cov (425)
1460407	2019-05-07 10:19:00	I worked in Mitre10 after my shoulder surgery when I was told being a builder was no longer an option for me. I got a job on the shop floor. Ended up as their kitchen designer earning more than the supervisors, I was 46 when I started there. That start led me into a job with a joinery company doing the same thing kitchen design but for more money using the same software. I left that job and at 49 got a job with another mitre10 pricing all the house builds off the plans for all the builder clients. However I had gone and done a basic IT diploma to get myself up to speed which is when I joined this forum. Since moving here I have gone back to building as its a very small town and it was that or unemployment. So it is possible but I do realise I have been very lucky too. That is not luck Gary, you got off your rear end learnt new skills which were in demand and made yourself employable. And if that is luck you made it for yourself.	CliveM (6007)
1460408	2019-05-07 10:35:00	Yes, Paul.Cov after they have completely jaded and finally lost their true self, selling their souls to the devil (lol) in the pursuit of the mighty dollar, the only thing left to do is to keep playing the game and try to get even more. This is very similar to heroin addicts who never seem to be able to return to their former selves even if they get off heroin. That they will sell their grandmother just to get another fix is a realization that never leaves one, a part of their soul goes missing and can never be reclaimed, so I have read and also seen with my own eyes re people I have known.	zqwerty (97)
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