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Thread ID: 112555	2010-09-11 04:50:00	Telecom misses out on Fibre to the Home	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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1136483	2010-09-12 03:56:00	Great news ! The new Fibre Optics to the home government agency has come up with three new partners for 3 areas to go with fibre optics, and guess what Telecom are not one of them. For years Telecom have ripped us off and fooled various governments with their new plans which they then took advantage of with new technology. Eg unbundling the local loop was going to be be great according to Telecom, but they built small cabinets so that none else could put anying in them! Now they will be spewing. For years I have hated Telecom and soon they will be irrelavant. Paul Reynolds (a ncie guy really) is begging for mercy, while taking 4 million a year for running what was a monopoly. The only sad thing is now they are a New Zealand company. The silly thing is uptil a few months ago they were still pushing copper wire! When even my mother knows that fibre is the way of the future. As does every other country in the world. Even Rwanda ! Yea sad its a NZ company behaving so poorly for the past 10 years, there attempts to hang onto control tooth and nail is going to cost them far more than just playing more fairly and using good business to retain customers. Many people didn't and STILL don't understand the main reasons for cabinetisation. Trying to explain to certain people FTTD is more about removing a monopoly than just "faster internet" can be a little difficult lol. Sure we COULD add fiber to the current Telecom's residential network for the last mile which would be a ton cheaper, but it doesn't solve the main problem. I am in tears also lol	Battleneter2 (9361)
1136484	2010-09-12 09:47:00	The problem is, that it isn't as efficient to use lot of small companies, as with using a single company you can get economy of scale. I suspect this will end up costing more in the long run. WE could end up being in the same situation we are with the power companies, where prices have rocketed, and many people now can't afford to pay their power bills. But to put it in perspective, the amount to build this, is far less than us taxpayers have paid out to bail out South Canturby Finance.	robbyp (2751)
1136485	2010-09-13 02:52:00	Rwanda may know that fibre is the way of the future but almost all countries except a few apartment-dwelling asian countries are sticking with ADSL, and for good reason too. In England the government has just announced plans to bring 1m/bit to the whole country, and yet we seem to think we know better that 100m/bit is needed?! Those unfortunate enough to still be on oversubscribed ADSL1 connections have my sympathy, but anybody on ADSL2 who isn't with an ISP such as slingshot or WxC who over-sell their international bandwidth ought to be getting max line speeds. If they're not, it's either CPE or the ISP... This sums things up well: www.stuff.co.nz :pf1mobmini:	Chilling_Silence (9)
1136486	2010-09-13 03:53:00	Yip, Telecom are too big for their own good...Dont know what the right hand is doing from the left hence very poor consumer support performance. Good news they didnt get the FTD contracts.....glad I dont have any shares with them!	SolMiester (139)
1136487	2010-09-13 04:39:00	Yip, Telecom are too big for their own good...Dont know what the right hand is doing from the left hence very poor consumer support performance. Good news they didnt get the FTD contracts.....glad I dont have any shares with them! It wouldn't be telecom getting the contract anyway, it would be Chorus, which is to be split into a totally seperate company. Also the anouncement so far, is only for a few small parts of the network, not the majority of it. Chorus will likely have some part in it, and they are still one of the companies on the list, it is just that they won't be building the whole thing, which is what most expected anyway.	robbyp (2751)
1136488	2010-09-13 05:03:00	It wouldn't be telecom getting the contract anyway, it would be Chorus, which is to be split into a totally seperate company. Also the anouncement so far, is only for a few small parts of the network, not the majority of it. Chorus will likely have some part in it, and they are still one of the companies on the list, it is just that they won't be building the whole thing, which is what most expected anyway. Actually Chorus winning the lions share would not be a issue, who owns FTTD network is all that matters. The government is killing Telecoms Monopoly and as a "bonus" we get true "would class" broadband not this ADSL crap.	Battleneter2 (9361)
1136489	2010-09-13 05:16:00	Check out the bottom advert. on the right. Here. (www.chorus.co.nz) :)	Trev (427)
1136490	2010-09-13 06:01:00	RE: Chill I think one reason some are pushing for fibre is because it's future-proof. Let's face it, copper is copper, and short of the Local Loop being rewired with Cat6, it's going to hit its limit sooner or later. Sure, VDSL2 and similar technologies are pushing the amount of bandwidth up, but it can only go so high, and the signal does degrade with distance. While what telecom are giving us might be ample for now (with the exception of data caps), who knows what the future will bring. Fibre can scale up to 1.27Tb/s, can go for 10km without missing a beat, I could go on. I'll admit, telecom have sharpened their game quite a lot in the past year or two. But if we let them become the sole provider of the next generation of New Zealand broadband, then we'll end up with the same old telco, offering the same old poor service, for the same old high price. With data caps, too (probably).	ubergeek85 (131)
1136491	2010-09-13 08:28:00	Yeah coz I can see a great need for every home user to have 1.2TB/sec... Sure, there's a degree of truth to that argument, and that's visible also on the Chorus website where they say they've hooked up 1000 schools with Fibre, but even after having been at Auckmageddon and being on a shared gigabit fibre internet connection (Yes, I pulled down data from my server in the CBD at over 180m/bit a second), I still see absolutely no need whatsoever for any home to have anything anywhere near 50m/bit ... Unless tomorrows generation decide that they want multiple 4K HD video streams to their home, but honestly ...!!! There's a reason why the US are saying to their Govt "Don't waste your time with FTTH, we don't want it, invest your money elsewhere", and same for why in Korea where FTTH only costs around NZD$30 I'm told for flat-rate 100m/bit yet adoption is below 25%!	Chilling_Silence (9)
1136492	2010-09-13 11:39:00	I'll admit, the 1.27Tb/s figure is a little high (even I would struggle to use all that bandwidth), more of a 'in a hundred years' figure. Think of it like how morse code was compared to what we have today. I'm not saying that the full capacity needs to be unleashed from day dot (although that would be nice), but just having a 10-15Mbit/s connection, that's stable, and isn't just limited to the person who lives next to the exchange. As for chorus hooking up 1000 schools with fibre, that's great, good on them. Now, how much will those schools be paying for that privilege? The UFB is, IMO, required because of telecom's track record. They're good - for now (except caps) - but if we let them do it their way, and call off the project, they'll just keep on doing the same old thing. High prices, low service. Hell, they still have crappy service, here in Dunsandel when it rains, the phones drop out, because water fills up the main joint in the ground where the post office used to be. Hell, even our exchange is recycled. It used to be in Akaroa, but they moved it out here for some reason. For a good three months, the whole district had a 'ticking' on all landlines, too. Turned out it was an ungrounded electric fence, but it took them that damn long to figure it out. Do you want the same people who provide that sort of service being the sole providers of next-gen broadband? Anyway, I think we can agree to disagree ;)	ubergeek85 (131)
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