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Thread ID: 112641	2010-09-15 09:31:00	Act's David Garrick	mikebartnz (21)	PC World Chat

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1137392	2010-09-16 10:20:00	People must be able to redeem themselves or the justice system is worthless.	zqwerty (97)
1137393	2010-09-16 10:27:00	(snip) Further to that I was under the impression that if you were convicted of an offence that carried a maximum penalty of a certain time in prison whether you were actually handed that penalty or not it may exclude you from visiting certain countries or holding certain jobs. (snip) I think that is where you have not followed the matter carefully enough. AFAIK, the judge discharged him without conviction, so the rest does not follow. He was a law student at the time, and there have been plenty of law students who claim that a conviction etc would be a far harsher penalty on them than it would be on the hoi polloi. Strangely enough, Judges (who were themselves law students once upon a time) seem to be swayed by that argument. Personally, having been a law student myself half a lifetime ago, my belief is that of all people, law students should know better, and if they take their chances, they SHOULD be treated more harshly than others. As should the polis.	John H (8)
1137394	2010-09-16 12:50:00	I think that is where you have not followed the matter carefully enough. AFAIK, the judge discharged him without conviction, so the rest does not follow. He was a law student at the time, and there have been plenty of law students who claim that a conviction etc would be a far harsher penalty on them than it would be on the hoi polloi. Strangely enough, Judges (who were themselves law students once upon a time) seem to be swayed by that argument. Personally, having been a law student myself half a lifetime ago, my belief is that of all people, law students should know better, and if they take their chances, they SHOULD be treated more harshly than others. As should the polis. Yes he was discharged without conviction. But why? It is still one rule for most and a different rule for others. At age 26 it is not a prank. Like the current infringement notices or fines. They take no account of your ability to pay. At one time if you were hauled up before the beak you were normally asked about your financial circumstances before the penalty was handed down.	Snorkbox (15764)
1137395	2010-09-16 15:11:00	At age 26 it is not a prank. Quite old enough to know better especially being a law student.	mikebartnz (21)
1137396	2010-09-16 19:14:00	He wasn't a student at the time. Excerpts from Stuff. " He then spent 10 years working in the oil industry where he learnt the art of " ingenuity and thinking outside the square " . His drill rig days came to an end on New Year's Eve, 1984. " " In June 2005, he admitted to Judge Keith de Ridder in North Shore District Court that in 1984 he had stolen the identity of a dead two-year-old boy. " " So in 1986, at the age of 28, he enrolled in arts at the University of Canterbury, doing papers in religious studies, psychology, history, English and political science. Eventually, he majored in history and political science. He then studied law, graduating with honours. And paid his way through university driving a taxi and working at a bottle store. " Whether he used the passport or not I don't believe it was just curiosity that prompted him. " A passport could be used to gain a driver's licence, open a bank account, apply for a loan and get an IRD number - all things which legitimise a person's existence in society. "	PaulD (232)
1137397	2010-09-16 19:51:00	Once apon a time I used to go fishing in Wellington Harbour at the bottom of Ngauranga Gorge. At that time there used to be an abbatoir up there and I thought it had been demolished. Apparently I was wrong as the offal still keeps coming from the same place. You seem to suggest that if the system hides offences by issuing name suppression then the offence did not happen and therefore nobody should be offended. Let's not forget that Garrett is the Law and Order spokesman for the Act Party and the false passport is on top of other convictions. Further to that I was under the impression that if you were convicted of an offence that carried a maximum penalty of a certain time in prison whether you were actually handed that penalty or not it may exclude you from visiting certain countries or holding certain jobs. And sadly, you seem to defend the lack of truth, honesty and Justice in the so called Justice system. Sorry I know you have trouble keeping up so to recap. 1. He was not convicted. 2. Was not apprehended at 26 - didn't come to light until much later, Judge would take that into account and did. 3. Name suppression of the offender is irrelevant to the whether the babies name was published, if he hadn't written to the parents they would have been none the wiser and therefore not been offended in finding out. Are you on some kind iof sick crusade to publish dead babies names? I never suggested the offence didn't happen, usual crap of making stuff up that people like you do because you have nothing else. Your expertise with offal is noted, your lack of expertise in all other areas likewise.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1137398	2010-09-16 20:27:00	He wasn't a student at the time. Excerpts from Stuff. (snip irrelevant quotes from Stuff) He was a law student when he appeared in Court and grovelled to the Judge to let him off the proper consequences of his "prank". His offending only came to light years after the crime (by which time he was studying law), when the Polis started investigating this kind of identity theft. This was because prefect's mates in the Mossad had been caught stealing dead children's identities to get NZ passports. They wanted "clean" passports from a non-suspicious country that would disguise their Zionist origins, that they could use whilst they were murdering Palestinians. Clear now?	John H (8)
1137399	2010-09-16 21:00:00	Interesting point...if Rodney Hide is forced to resign from Parliament over this scandal, then do all the other list MPs who came in on his coat tails also get kicked out ? After all if Rodney goes then their raison d'être also goes ?	Terry Porritt (14)
1137400	2010-09-16 21:05:00	He was a law student when he appeared in Court and grovelled to the Judge to let him off the proper consequences of his "prank" . His offending only came to light years after the crime (by which time he was studying law), when the Polis started investigating this kind of identity theft . This was because prefect's mates in the Mossad had been caught stealing dead children's identities to get NZ passports . They wanted "clean" passports from a non-suspicious country that would disguise their Zionist origins, that they could use whilst they were murdering Palestinians . Clear now? Like so totally wrong, the Palestinians are my mates and I support their fight against their occupiers .	prefect (6291)
1137401	2010-09-16 21:26:00	He was a law student when he appeared in Court and grovelled to the Judge to let him off the proper consequences of his "prank" . His offending only came to light years after the crime (by which time he was studying law), Clear now? Garrett got his law degree in 1992 long before he was found out .	PaulD (232)
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