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Thread ID: 112961	2010-09-28 23:52:00	Give way road rule change confirmed	george12 (7)	PC World Chat

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1140348	2010-09-29 07:42:00	People will die because of this. Really ? How ? The thing is when this rule comes in people will be more careful at intersections. Just like when traffic lights go off in a power cut. Maybe it will teach people to be more aware of their driving and those around them.	wmoore (6009)
1140349	2010-09-29 07:53:00	We know that quite a few drivers don't even know or observe the current laws. I have never seen a stop sign at a roundabout either. Actually in my new soon to be elected Govt I'm going to label every powerpole, tree and fence with a big sign in red saying, "Driving into me may be dangerous to your health." The next job will be to teach all drivers to read and comprehend the signs. This will be slightly more difficult. I am told that Auckland residents are composed of some 165 ethnic varieties so for a start I suppose we translate the words in quotes above thus making for rather large signs I guess.	Snorkbox (15764)
1140350	2010-09-29 08:06:00	I think you missed the point I was making snorkers.....if drivers dont know left from right when faced with negotiating a roundabout and signalling correctly, then there is not much hope for them at intersections........:rolleyes:	Terry Porritt (14)
1140351	2010-09-29 08:17:00	I didn't really miss the point. Driver education however does not always change driver behaviour. We have been told over and over again to be careful at intersections. In spite of advice to the contrary people still insist on consuming alcohol and driving and this not only once or twice. Noticed one got convicted for the 17th time for that recently.	Snorkbox (15764)
1140352	2010-09-29 09:26:00	Please DEFINE Main Road in relation to the two right turning vehicles! So in Auckland is Queen Street or Wellesley Street the "Main Road"? The proposed change is for "T" intersections, main is which ever street carries on ie the top of the T . One of the biggest groups of T intersections are driveways from public car parks eg supermarkets . Queen and Wellesley is just a normal + intersection so no change .	PaulD (232)
1140353	2010-09-29 09:34:00	Personally I'm fond of the current setup, because, think about it, when you're sitting at a busy multi-lane intersection, your chance to turn right is pretty slim, you might even have to wait til the lights turn yellow before you even get a chance. Whereas if you're turning left, it's a piece of cake. If you're turning right, you don't want to see a gap in traffic, only to have some moron who can turn whenever he wants to get in your way! There's a recent Engineering Thesis studying Christchurch intersections and the conclusion was that some intersections would be better and some worse with a law change. Unless other changes like traffic light phasing and right turning arrows are also brought in your situation would become common. At the time of the original change there were other studies that from memory said that some accidents would be saved and some caused whichever way the law went. Don't expect to see any improvement.	PaulD (232)
1140354	2010-09-29 09:56:00	Makes sense. This Engineering Thesis sounds interesting, can you share a link?	ubergeek85 (131)
1140355	2010-09-29 10:03:00	The proposed change is for "T" intersections, main is which ever street carries on ie the top of the T. One of the biggest groups of T intersections are driveways from public car parks eg supermarkets. Queen and Wellesley is just a normal + intersection so no change. At T-intersections, where two cars are turning right, the car turning off the main road would have right of way - reversing the status quo. At a T intersection there will be a road that terminates and one that does not so therefore there is a through road but it can't be defined as a main road. Theoretically as the law stands now I could drive from my local supermarket directly across the road and enter my service station and only give way to traffic approaching from my right given the absence of any stop or give way signs which would be patently ridiculous but within the law. I could come out of my drive and drive directly across the road into a driveway across the road which would be just as dopey but I'd be in the right would I not? If not then why not? BTW a road is defined as any place where the public has access whether as of right or not. Hence people having been convicted of driving while disqualified up the Tanker track on a farm property on which they live.	Snorkbox (15764)
1140356	2010-09-29 17:51:00	Glad they're changing the t-intersection rule, no one does it how it is currently anyway. One thing I've never been 100% sure of, if there are two people at a stop/give way sign opposite each other and both are turning right, who goes first? You're both on the right of each other and both turning right. Just whoever pulls out first really? If you are opposite and both are turning right, then both can go at the same time because you are not crossing each other are you. Because you are both going in different directions.:D	wmoore (6009)
1140357	2010-09-29 17:56:00	This is a much "cleaner" way of thinking: "The person on the left, or turning left, has the right of way" Dead simple! One quick sentence I've though of in about 2 minutes of reading the article myself sums it up. Yes quite simple really, didn't take me long to adjust here in the UK. Actually feels more natural in some sort of way.	wmoore (6009)
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