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Thread ID: 113139	2010-10-06 22:03:00	Your password or your life...........	Scouse (83)	PC World Chat

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1142251	2010-10-07 04:59:00	Of course! If you've done nothing wrong, you have nothing to fear, right? So what is your answer when there is a knock on the door and an officer saying "We've come to search your house to see if we can find anything on you. We don't need a warrant or suspicion of anything, it's an offence to refuse, don't you know?" More like refusing to let them search your house when they have a warrant. Correct me if I'm wrong but I expect good cause is required to require a disclosure of an encryption key, similar to searching a house. It makes sense to have a similar legal mechanism in place to search a computer, and, with a warrant, people should not have the right to prevent it. It would be like if people could have inpenetrable houses and prevent a search indefinitely, even if there was a warrant. That would not be good!	george12 (7)
1142252	2010-10-07 05:29:00	Mac OS X has had the feature to encrypt your home folder in it for ages now Yes but authorities would be able to get decryption keys in order to gain access to the encrypted material. good for most use however if your are the evil little vermin with plenty to hide it probably won't cut it	The Error Guy (14052)
1142253	2010-10-07 05:56:00	More like refusing to let them search your house when they have a warrant. Correct me if I'm wrong but I expect good cause is required to require a disclosure of an encryption key, similar to searching a house. It makes sense to have a similar legal mechanism in place to search a computer, and, with a warrant, people should not have the right to prevent it. It would be like if people could have inpenetrable houses and prevent a search indefinitely, even if there was a warrant. That would not be good! From what I have read on the British Law (admittedly not in any great depth) referenced in the article, there appears to be no legal requirement for suspicion to be substantiated legally, as is the case for obtaining a warrant. This is one of those laws rammed through with the excuse of combating "terror", while riding roughshod over existing rights, in this case the right to silence / the right to not incriminate oneself. While the examples and reasons given when passing these laws are suitably frightening and reasonable to the general public and to the members that vote to pass them, the situations that they are actually being used in seem increasingly to echo the predictions of the "alarmists" that spoke out against them. The continuing erosion of our rights and freedoms in the name of 'security' (for whom, one wonders) should be of concern to us all.	fred_fish (15241)
1142254	2010-10-07 07:45:00	Have fun in prison then. Really, if they brought up the prison sentence wouldn't you just say "awww fine, have a look then?". Some people are prepared to stand by their principals. It sounds like you would just roll over and put your feet in the air.	mikebartnz (21)
1142255	2010-10-07 07:49:00	Also, you will always have that "did he or didn't he" over your head. Say you go for a job interview and the employer runs a quick background check, they can instantly see that you "may" have been guilty of having kiddy porn, and the fact that you wouldn't let them prove your innocence shows that you are probably guilty. Have fun never being able to get a decent job ever again. You don't really know what you are talking about do you.	mikebartnz (21)
1142256	2010-10-07 07:53:00	You don't really know what you are talking about do you. Nah just rambling :p	xyz823 (13649)
1142257	2010-10-07 07:58:00	Further to Fred's comments in reply to george12 ... I think you'll find police have the right to enter & search a property without a warrant on drugs, firearms, child endangerment, threat to life, kidnapping and terrorism related issues. There's probably another dozen or so reasons as well as those .... and although ignorance of the law is no defence in law, not many people (Joe Public) are aware of every statute in law. Child porn .... lock the b'stards up .... walk away and don't look back .... ever !!	SP8's (9836)
1142258	2010-10-07 08:19:00	Just to be totally clear here, I do NOT endorse the crime this guy is accused off, but its his right to not give up his key as far as I am concerned.	DeSade (984)
1142259	2010-10-07 08:28:00	police have the right to enter & search a property without a warrant on drugs, firearms, child endangerment, threat to life, kidnapping and terrorism related issues. Agreed, however all of those require suspicion on 'reasonable grounds' (required to be demonstrated in court when it gets there) which seems not to be the case in the (edit: British) encrypted data law. If you have encrypted data, a law enforcement official can require you to divulge the means of access to it, without, as far as I can tell, any requirement for reasonable suspicion of a crime, and failing to do so is a criminal offence.	fred_fish (15241)
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