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Thread ID: 113335 2010-10-15 03:43:00 A most unusual question! Billy T (70) PC World Chat
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1145015 2010-10-15 03:43:00 I reckon this has got to be one of the more obscure questions asked on PF1, even on Chat, but...........Do we have any members here who are technically knowledgeable about NZR/Kiwi Rail diesel-electric locomotives?

I need to find out the frequency of the power generated for the motors (assuming that they are AC and not DC) and some idea of the voltage & current generated.

I have good reasons (work related) for wanting to know this and have spent a lot of time today searching the web for relevant data but it seems that most electric trains overseas use overhead pickup at high voltage and a third rail or grounded rail returns (like the Wellington trains I guess) which is not helpful to my needs, as I wish to assess the external electromagnetic fields of a stand-alone diesel-electric locomotive unit (not a railcar). Generation frequency is also important as one instrument logs 25-250Hz and the other 10-1000Hz and I need to choose the one which offers the best resolution from a moving source.

Cheers

Billy 8-{) :confused:
Billy T (70)
1145016 2010-10-15 04:17:00 Yes :) SoniKalien (792)
1145017 2010-10-15 05:28:00 yes, pcuserwinvista, ask him. Or at least he will point you in the right direction plod (107)
1145018 2010-10-15 05:32:00 Try the online govt archives at archway (http://www.archway.archives.govt.nz/)? kahawai chaser (3545)
1145019 2010-10-15 05:51:00 Best resolution? When I use to calibrate instruments what would be best could be either 5 % or 1% - and would depend what range of scale and also if it's linear throughout - without much "noise" at both the lower end or top end. Then their is repeatability and reproducibility...

In other words, is their high confidence (often 95 %) that both your instruments may not be significantly different for a certain working range?
kahawai chaser (3545)
1145020 2010-10-15 07:13:00 DC ... much easier to control ... go to the site and then click on the link to "electric motors"

www.wordiq.com

Google is your friend :D
SP8's (9836)
1145021 2010-10-15 07:31:00 Best resolution? When I use to calibrate instruments what would be best could be either 5 % or 1% - and would depend what range of scale and also if it's linear throughout - without much "noise" at both the lower end or top end. Then their is repeatability and reproducibility...

In other words, is their high confidence (often 95 %) that both your instruments may not be significantly different for a certain working range?

The instruments are quite different, one Swedish and one American. They are triaxial digital recorders, noise is not a problem, calibration is not an issue. Suitability for purpose is the key in terms of bandwidth, and sampling rate is the main factor, i.e. how many I can capture before the source goes out of range and I wait for the next train!.

If the motors are DC I'm stuffed with those instruments, and my DC field meter is single axis and non-logging so it will be a TechRentals jobbie if they have such a beast.

I'm off to Google D-E technology!

Cheers

Billy 8-{)
Billy T (70)
1145022 2010-10-15 08:02:00 OK - makes sense. Techrentals - still around - I remember them, I use to cross reference/validate their calibration reports for capturing temps/humidity readings. I think you can set time intervals for data capture then export to excel/csv. Sometimes we would use IRL for advanced/difficult recordings.

But won't you need to do multiple readings (capture) for statistical relevance? meaning that you would need to record from at least a few trains/motors...
kahawai chaser (3545)
1145023 2010-10-15 08:04:00 yes, pcuserwinvista, ask him. Or at least he will point you in the right direction

Not that knowledgeable :eek:

I'll do a bit of research, it'll be based on the DX class (the most powerful in NZ) as there's several classes, each of which are different.
pcuser42 (130)
1145024 2010-10-15 08:09:00 I think Billy's asking about real trains pcuserwinvista ... not models :devil: SP8's (9836)
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