| Forum Home | ||||
| PC World Chat | ||||
| Thread ID: 113314 | 2010-10-13 23:07:00 | Top scienitist - GW a scam | SolMiester (139) | PC World Chat |
| Post ID | Timestamp | Content | User | ||
| 1144634 | 2010-10-17 03:15:00 | A very long time ago most people insisted the world was flat. That belief did not make them right though did it? Or to put it another way. Some people insist that Nortons is a very good AV and they get paid to say that. Others who don't get paid say different. You're absolutely correct - questions like this don't get settled by democratic votes, and my brevity let me down. The scientists I was referring to are the ones who who go out on glaciers and the polar regions and drill ice cores, measure temperatures, study satellite data, monitor sea-levels and generally get dirt under their finger-nails. These are the guys (and gals) who are trying to tell us that something is going on and we should pay attention. Against this, a retired physicist who got grumpy because hardly anyone signed his petition to have the American Physical Union change its position on global warming is pretty small cheese. |
Jayess64 (8703) | ||
| 1144635 | 2010-10-17 19:33:00 | Missing the point Jayess64, the data for one was tampered with from some area as it didnt fit in with the results they were trying to show, the the grumpy physicist?, sigh... No one is refuting climate change, its whether man has 1, caused it and 2, if we can do anything about it.... 1, doesnt matter now, and 2, I dont see them doing anything but tax and throw money to 3rd worlds.... |
SolMiester (139) | ||
| 1144636 | 2010-10-17 21:07:00 | Missing the point Jayess64, the data for one was tampered with from some area as it didnt fit in with the results they were trying to show, the the grumpy physicist?, sigh... No one is refuting climate change, its whether man has 1, caused it and 2, if we can do anything about it.... 1, doesnt matter now, and 2, I dont see them doing anything but tax and throw money to 3rd worlds.... Sorry, have to disagree on each point. Data were not 'tampered' with - I presume you refer to the East Anglia emails affair. That has been investigated in at least three different enquiries, and the science has not been faulted. On your point 1: lot's of people dispute (and think they can refute) climate change, but the evidence is against them. It is global warming that is grudgingly being accepted by many skeptics, and it needs a high degree of perversity to deny that the global temperature is rising. Climate change is one of the effects of global warming, and that is the focus of the arguments. The current global warming is definitely the result of human activity, and the responsibility for any climate change resulting from the warming will be on us. Your point 2: Given that we have caused the problem and the consequences will be as serious as many think they will, then it is not good enough to shrug it off and say "there's nothing we can do". We're more clever than that. |
Jayess64 (8703) | ||
| 1144637 | 2010-10-17 21:18:00 | And just to think, that after everything we do, carefully turning off lights, using 'eco-friendly' cars etc etc, we get 1 volcano like the one in Iceland earlier this year, and it dumps more carbon + crap into the atmosphere than man has probably produced in the past (x ?) years? (no idea, just taking guesses here) Seeing as there are currently 169+ active volcanoes in the USA alone today (active but not necessarily erupting), who gives a toss? Clearly out of our control, get a few of those to blast every year or so and they do far more 'damage' to our atmosphere. Conclusion: Mother nature is more than capable of screwing itself over, and taking care of itself in the same stride. |
Bozo (8540) | ||
| 1144638 | 2010-10-17 21:23:00 | I doubt weather the tax will go to 3rd worlds The tax doesnt bother me (sort of), what bothers me is what are they going to do with the tax. We will never know. Like i said in a previous post somwhere, if they gave a detailed report on what the money was being spent on ie subsidising hybrid cars, free insulation on houses etc people might be a bit more accepting on the tax. the fact we will probably never know what it is being spent on really boils my blood |
Gobe1 (6290) | ||
| 1144639 | 2010-10-17 21:33:00 | Well the point is that Real scientists table their findings for their peers to review. These guys fiddled the books and then refused to allow anyone to scrutinise their findings. Now their supporters are left red faced and trying desperately to wriggle out of the situation they have found themselves in. As SolMiester has already pointed out, no one is denying Climate Change as such. Most of us accept it has been going on for millions of years and nearly every day the temperature rises and falls, often over 10 degrees and some days it rains and some days it doesn’t. Nothing to be alarmed about is there? I suppose when the streams and lakes in central Australia, that have been dry for years, fill up again, the alarmists will try and attribute the event to insufficient Carbon Tax? The really alarming thing for me is that the leaders of so many countries have allowed themselves to be conned. :rolleyes: |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1144640 | 2010-10-17 22:26:00 | Why are some Governments so dedicated to Carbon Taxes, when the case for man made global warming is at best not proven? The answer is very simple - it self righteously allows them to access a very large revenue flow, that they can either spend pork barrelling to keep themselves permanently in power, or it provides the funds to clean up their previous profligate spending and debt, which is catching up with them (The latter particularly applies to the Gillard Labour Government in Australia) The idealist misguidedly believes politicians act in the best interest of the country - the realist knows that politics is really about power, firstly attaining it, and then retaining it for such altruistic reasons as self interest. |
KenESmith (6287) | ||
| 1144641 | 2010-10-17 22:29:00 | There has been NO global warming since the 90's, thats why the data was tampered with....its climate change Jay, and its been happening since year dot! | SolMiester (139) | ||
| 1144642 | 2010-10-17 22:32:00 | There has been NO global warming since the 90's, thats why the data was tampered with....its climate change Jay, and its been happening since year dot! Read post #53 above. |
Strommer (42) | ||
| 1144643 | 2010-10-17 22:39:00 | Read post #53 above. ??, I have read plenty that refute #53, and that's what I accept! |
SolMiester (139) | ||
| 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 | |||||