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Thread ID: 113327	2010-10-14 22:26:00	More PC Bollocks	B.M. (505)	PC World Chat

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1144951	2010-10-15 08:27:00	How many aren’t? :confused: I can’t think of one friend or acquaintance that has died and wouldn’t have if he’d attended a lecture by OSH, which I understand would be conducted by someone who had never done the job. :groan: Hundreds. And the course in question was created and carried out by Kiwirail and was designed entirely for Kiwirail sites.	Metla (12)
1144952	2010-10-15 08:29:00	I appreciate kiwirails concern but it is ridiculous. What you meant to say was you have no comprehension of Kiwirails concerns or the risks associated with working on a live rail corridor. If you ever do get any real world experience on the subject please feel free to then put in your 2 cents.	Metla (12)
1144953	2010-10-15 08:55:00	Ha ha they get a bit touchy with rail safety. About 3years ago when they were doing the double tracking here they had a guy whos job was to watch for trains and ensure the diggers were back from the tracks. It was near Candia road and the guy decided to walk to the dairy in Ranui to get a pie. You can guess what happened a train coming from Waitaikere Village was what happened. They did one more infraction and the whole company was removed from the contract and another construction company came in. That maoris guy going for a pie cost me thousands of dollars as I serviced their machinery and the new company had its own mechanics. The point of this? rail are mega into safety	prefect (6291)
1144954	2010-10-15 10:35:00	Holy crap, I'm agreeing with Metla (and prefect... I think...). These safety practices are in place for a reason - when was the last time you heard of a rail worker dying? It's a stupidly dangerous job, yet the death toll is probably better than truck drivers. It sounds as if the locked gates are in between two sets of rail crossings, so one would need to be in the corridor to access it. As for people thinking 'how can you miss a train', well, so long as they're either travelling at speed (<50Km/hr) or accelerating heavily, then yes, the engine sounds similar to a light-gauge shotgun going off several times a second. But! If the stretch of rail is one where the driver might remove most of the power, before braking, say before a speed reduction, or tunnel, then they are surprising quiet. As in, they will kill you and you won't even know it because you didn't hear it until it was too late. The exhaust is located on top, and all the other parts that make noise cast the sound out to the side, so, if you're ahead or behind it, you miss the bulk of the sound. Bear in mind that a train won't even wobble while it slices through your whole torso. If you're lucky, you die instantly. If not, your internal organs spill out the massive whole where your pelvis was, you die as a result of massive trauma, bleeding out, etc... Yeah, I don't blame kiwirail for trying to keep some people safe.	ubergeek85 (131)
1144955	2010-10-15 18:28:00	Unfortunately BM I can name at least 2 people who would still be alive today if Osh rules in the UK had been properly complied with Well that’s the point Gary. I don’t know of anyone that would have been saved by some OSH rule and you know of two that were killed when an OSH rule was in place but not obeyed. :rolleyes: Anyway, I still don’t believe that crossing a railway line requires any qualification at all. Common sense should do the trick. ;)	B.M. (505)
1144956	2010-10-15 18:34:00	Hundreds. And the course in question was created and carried out by Kiwirail and was designed entirely for Kiwirail sites. :eek:Wow, you personally know of hundreds that would have been saved by an OSH safety course or protocol. Maybe you could name them and explain how OSH would have been their saviour. :lol:	B.M. (505)
1144957	2010-10-15 18:51:00	Well that’s the point Gary. I don’t know of anyone that would have been saved by some OSH rule and you know of two that were killed when an OSH rule was in place but not obeyed. :rolleyes: Anyway, I still don’t believe that crossing a railway line requires any qualification at all. Common sense should do the trick. ;) Thats the whole point of these courses is to test common sense, if you fail, you have none. And usually these causes are set up to pass everyone, except the stupid.	plod (107)
1144958	2010-10-15 19:21:00	:eek:Wow, you personally know of hundreds that would have been saved by an OSH safety course or protocol. Maybe you could name them and explain how OSH would have been their saviour. :lol: Don't be mean B, you can't change the mind of a safety zealot.	Cicero (40)
1144959	2010-10-15 19:27:00	Well that’s the point Gary . I don’t know of anyone that would have been saved by some OSH rule and you know of two that were killed when an OSH rule was in place but not obeyed . :rolleyes: Anyway, I still don’t believe that crossing a railway line requires any qualification at all . Common sense should do the trick . ;) Common sense does not even enter it . There are some people in NZ who I cant mention because I will get banned but are so stupid that any instructions with more than 3 steps will trip them up . So failing this safety test is no surprise to me . Last year I was backing up to a forklift and I asked this guy to guide me back I needed to be within 6 inches of the forklift carriage and a cutter on the back of the truck . I was coming back and the the guy about 20 seconds later disappeared and I bashed into the carriage . His reason someone asked him where some wood was and he went off to show them .	prefect (6291)
1144960	2010-10-15 19:57:00	I'm amazed anyone was capable of failing. Damned if I would let them play on the railway tracks after that effort. :pf1mobmini:	Metla (12)
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