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Thread ID: 113642	2010-10-29 04:58:00	My first hands on IT experience	Nomad (952)	PC World Chat

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1148585	2010-11-01 21:06:00	We have labour laws in NZ > minimum wage applies. They are breaking the law you are being exploited More important....you are helping keep someone else out of PAID work Report them to the Dept of labour. You may than get paid. Even crims get paid for the work the do in jail...so where does that put you??	1101 (13337)
1148586	2010-11-01 21:27:00	We have labour laws in NZ > minimum wage applies. They are breaking the law you are being exploited More important....you are helping keep someone else out of PAID work Report them to the Dept of labour. You may than get paid. Even crims get paid for the work the do in jail...so where does that put you??Sorry 1101, minimum wage doesn't apply to volunteer work, which this is. They're unpaid volunteers there for the work experience, not paid employees. It's also worth pointing out that there is no law against denying someone else a job opportunity by volunteering for the position.	Erayd (23)
1148587	2010-11-01 21:50:00	No one knows everything, but Personally I find coming here and helping actually relaxing from the day to day stresses of paid work. There is a small charge for this therapy, just send to A/C # 09 5639348 490 00	Cicero (40)
1148588	2010-11-01 22:07:00	OK, Erayd, I stand corrected :-) but my other comments still stand he is being exploited More important....you are helping keep someone else out of PAID work Even crims get paid for the work the do in jail...so where does that put him?? Another step towards 3rd world working conditions If he was actually receiving usefull training, then perhaps its justifiable. But it sounds like he was just used as unpaid labour. www.volunteerwellington.org.nz Factors which tend to make the involvement of volunteers inappropriate: * Where the work is for the benefit of a profit-making organisation * Where the volunteer receives remuneration implying low-wage status rather than voluntary work * Where the work will typically require more than 20 hours per week * Where the work is normally considered to be the responsibility of a statutory service, e.g. nursing care, teaching etc * Where the volunteer would be undertaking work which is the subject of an industrial dispute * Where the volunteer would be performing tasks carried out by paid staff in the past 6 months or where their involvement would reduce the likelihood of employment of paid staff * Where the involvement of volunteers would jeopardise the wage or employment conditions of paid staff * Where there is a disagreement within the client organisation about the nature and purpose of volunteer involvement * Where there are insufficient resources to provide proper support, supervision, training and workspace for volunteers * Where there is no money available to pay volunteers out-of-pocket expenses or provide appropriate insurance cover * Where the work offers no rewards to the volunteer, e.g. work is too demanding, tedious, dirty and unpleasant and the volunteer does not have an opportunity to achieve personal goals * Where unacceptable risks to health and safety are involved, e.g. physically dangerous work, potentially violent work etc.	1101 (13337)
1148589	2010-11-01 22:22:00	Of course he's being exploited - I never claimed otherwise :rolleyes:.	Erayd (23)
1148590	2010-11-02 05:44:00	Well he is free to leave if he wants to, it is not like his boss has forced him to stay now if it was like that, that is forced labor which is illegal. Just leave if you are not happy there will be 10000 more people waiting to take your chance and work for free, because everyone knows that work experience is important and it is hard to get a job without next to no experience. However if they are resourceful and have money they should pay you.	forums12345 (15197)
1148591	2010-11-02 06:02:00	OK, Erayd, I stand corrected :-) but my other comments still stand he is being exploited More important....you are helping keep someone else out of PAID work Even crims get paid for the work the do in jail...so where does that put him?? Another step towards 3rd world working conditions If he was actually receiving usefull training, then perhaps its justifiable. But it sounds like he was just used as unpaid labour. Nobody is forcing him to stay there - by signing up for the course he has voluntarily offered his services (for free) under a work experience programme. You can't give someone a Xmas present, and then accuse them of exploiting you because they didn't give you $$$.	somebody (208)
1148592	2010-11-02 06:16:00	Erayds & Somebody's comments stands true They're unpaid volunteers there for the work experience, not paid employees . Nobody is forcing him to stay there - by signing up for the course he has voluntarily offered his services (for free) under a work experience programme . Its WORK EXPERIENCE . In this case bad experience . What it all boils down to is simple - The place being worked at, the boss appears to be an A*** Hole, and the full time staff not much better . If it were the other way around, like I mentioned in post #9 - a good boss, and good full time staff willing to teach a person on work experience, I bet this whole thread wouldn't have even been started as a grumble . It comes down to the fact, that some places are good to work for some are not . Welcome to the real world ;)	wainuitech (129)
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