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Thread ID: 114000	2010-11-14 05:30:00	What a hideuos road toll this weekend...	beetle (243)	PC World Chat

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1152729	2010-11-17 02:14:00	I completely disagree about the state of the roads in NZ. I think they are ok drivers, need to adjust their speed to to the conditions of the road if they are less than autobahn standard. Blaming the roads is a cop out, the clowns that say that just need to slow down on windy and hilly sections. Our stupid rag called the western leader says the hilly bit on candia road is a blackspot for accidents because some chick got killed there, what a load of ****. Sure its dangerous driving through there in the rain at 110 kph but its just a bit of road to me and the thousands who travel on it.	prefect (6291)
1152730	2010-11-17 02:55:00	People will always die on our roads as long as humans are at the wheel. Those who bike on our highways must accept some risk, unpalatable though that may be.	The Hitcher (14826)
1152731	2010-11-17 03:01:00	Cyclists should be 100% banned from 100km zones.	DeSade (984)
1152732	2010-11-17 03:04:00	I doubt increasing the driving age would change anything, how many 15 year olds die while driving? I say jail terms for repeat offenses of things like drunk driving or speeding, not speeding as in a few k's over, but the people who are caught at like 20km/h over. I just read the above link, why would any sane care if that ***** is traumatised? She caused the deaths of 2 people, I don't think she would deserve any sympathy at all.	nerd (109)
1152733	2010-11-17 03:09:00	Cyclists should be banned from riding on the dual carriageway where a riding lane is clearly marked on the adjoining footpath - the stretch of Hutt Road between Aotea Quay and Thorndon Quay being a prime example :( :(	Zippity (58)
1152734	2010-11-17 03:11:00	I don't think people are getting the point, cyclists can be really annoying, especially when they aren't riding single file on a narrow road or when there is a parked car there too, but the lady crossed TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD and hit the guys, how can it be anyone else fault?	nerd (109)
1152735	2010-11-17 03:18:00	I don't think people are getting the point, cyclists can be really annoying, especially when they aren't riding single file on a narrow road or when there is a parked car there too, but the lady crossed TO THE OTHER SIDE OF THE ROAD and hit the guys, how can it be anyone else fault? It may not be the cyclists fault but we all take our chances when we venture onto the roads.	The Hitcher (14826)
1152736	2010-11-17 03:47:00	I completely disagree about the state of the roads in NZ. I think they are ok drivers, need to adjust their speed to to the conditions of the road if they are less than autobahn standard. Blaming the roads is a cop out, the clowns that say that just need to slow down on windy and hilly sections. Our stupid rag called the western leader says the hilly bit on candia road is a blackspot for accidents because some chick got killed there, what a load of ****. Sure its dangerous driving through there in the rain at 110 kph but its just a bit of road to me and the thousands who travel on it. Couple of points you say its not ok in the rain to drive through that section of road at 110kph. Correct you can drive through it at 100kph in good conditions unless other traffic and weather conditions dictate otherwise ;) You refer to the state of the roads! Well it is not so much the road surface its the terrain and furniture around the edges thats the problem. A notorious section of road near where I live was a constant accident (couple times per year) blackspot it took two people to die and another to be crippled for life before they realised removing the Trees on either side would A, Improve the road surface by allowing the sun/wind to reduce the slippery surface and B, Remove the Trees that were being hit when people spun out. Funny thing since then no accidents that over two years now! Another section of hill road they put a crash barrier along the road and guess what!!! No more vhicles flying over the bank and killing the occupants. Now all they need to do is remove the blind spot for the junction! Other sections of road removing corners and making visibilty clearer has also helped reduce accidents or even near misses. Still a lot to be done because the other key cause of Accidents along the southern section of SH4 is caused by fatigue! North bound traffic seems to be the worst affected after the gruelling hour plus through the paras from Wanganui only to find realitive straight roads to Taumarunui. That point peoples attention drifts and bam a corner or roadside gulley catches them. Obviously I talk about a section of road I know well, yet in saying that the incidents of accidents in the area rarely relate to weather ie snow, ice, rain. Perfect weather days straight pieces of road and people fall off them. Variety of reason and the typical stereotype of Speed, Alchol or bad weather hardly plays into the reason. Irony though is most have the same direction or departure area. But yet again improvements to the sections of the road are reducing those fatigue accidents. Overtaking in stupid places ie Yellow lines, blind corners or simply taking the shorter line on those corners is PART of the problem which road design which is still in its infancy in New Zealand can be improved upon. Ultimately the nut behind the wheel is the crucila part in being able to see and prevent such accidents.	coldfront (15814)
1152737	2010-11-17 03:55:00	Cyclists should be 100% banned from 100km zones. You clearly do not live in the more rural parts of New Zealand then? Is it so hard to slow down enough to be able to pass a cyclist or group safely without forcing the cyclist into the verge or putting yourself into an oncoming vehicle? I see a lot of open road cyclists and cycle tourists I drive a very large vehicle yet I can give them room without trying to kill them. And since this was stirred up by those cyclists killed because that woman crossed the centreline, image that had been a bus full of children instead, oh yes that happened as well.	coldfront (15814)
1152738	2010-11-17 03:58:00	It may not be the cyclists fault but we all take our chances when we venture onto the roads. And it is our responsibility as road users to ensure that we do not put others at risk, be we driving , riding, walking or working on those roads.	coldfront (15814)
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