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Thread ID: 114202	2010-11-22 08:03:00	Condoms and the pope	Happy Harry (321)	PC World Chat

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1155383	2010-11-22 08:03:00	I see in the news that pope Benedict has made a small concession to the use of condoms. What is it about the pope and his advisors (the cardinals) that has them so far removed from the reality’s of modern man. I am an atheist and while I do have respect for most christians and their religious dedication , I find the cynicism and contempt that most church hierarchy have of their followers makes a mockery of their religion. I have a friend who is a strong christian and we frequently have lively debates. Our ongoing talks on evolution or god creating the world, is always interesting If you don’t believe in evolution, but believe that god created the world, then surely you have to believe that some other entity created god and then of course who/what created the entity who created god? Then of course the next step. If god created the world and everything in it, then god created evil, embodied in the form of satan! Why would a god do that? So the oft quoted “god is all-knowing, all-powerful and all-good” can be shown to be wrong in so many ways, to me proves my argument. There is no god.	Happy Harry (321)
1155384	2010-11-22 10:05:00	I would suggest you carry on your debate with your friend. It has already been held here and nobody has won yet. :-)	Snorkbox (15764)
1155385	2010-11-22 10:18:00	Some people have explained the whole 'god created evil' thing to me as simply god giving angels free will, and one angels free choice to turn evil. One POV I guess. As for the pope and rubbers, I found this (www.badscience.net) a good read.	ubergeek85 (131)
1155386	2010-11-22 20:02:00	I have no desire to start a god/no god debate but I was interested to hear an opinion concerning the argument that humans evolved from something or other. The opinion said that if all humans disappeared from the earth and then some aliens landed, had a look around at the buildings left behind and concluded that no one designed the buildings, they "just evolved" would, of course, be silly. Although the aliens had no idea how these buildings were made, they were not silly enough to think that they just happened - they could see that the buildings were designed and that someone built them. They just did not know who, how or why. The opinion continued that although we do not know who, how or why, it is obvious that the human body did not just evolve but has been designed and built to a plan. It is as obvious as designing and constructing a building. Besides, if the human body did evolve, why is it still not evolving? The question remains: who or what designed the human body? Will we ever find out?	Roscoe (6288)
1155387	2010-11-22 20:18:00	I have no desire to start a god/no god debate but I was interested to hear an opinion concerning the argument that humans evolved from something or other. The opinion said that if all humans disappeared from the earth and then some aliens landed, had a look around at the buildings left behind and concluded that no one designed the buildings, they "just evolved" would, of course, be silly. Although the aliens had no idea how these buildings were made, they were not silly enough to think that they just happened - they could see that the buildings were designed and that someone built them. They just did not know who, how or why. Buildings are inanimate objects. Unlike buildings, humans have the ability to grow and change.	xyz823 (13649)
1155388	2010-11-22 20:30:00	Buildings are inanimate objects. Unlike buildings, humans have the ability to grow and change. The argument was not as to whether they were inanimate or not but whether or not the human body was designed.	Roscoe (6288)
1155389	2010-11-22 20:34:00	The argument was not as to whether they were inanimate or not but whether or not the human body was designed. Gotcha, I think I read too much into it and got myself confused.	xyz823 (13649)
1155390	2010-11-22 20:40:00	It is an interesting thought, though. The human body, as you know, is very complex and each part depends on another part. It does seem that it was designed. Hard to imagine that it evolved. But how do you solve the question of who, how and why? Perhaps we need a time machine to travel back to see how it happened?	Roscoe (6288)
1155391	2010-11-22 22:07:00	The opinion continued that although we do not know who, how or why, it is obvious that the human body did not just evolve but has been designed and built to a plan. It is as obvious as designing and constructing a building. Besides, if the human body did evolve, why is it still not evolving? Do you really expect to see major changes in the human body over a few years? It has been evolving slowly but will only do so when occasion forces it to. Every time there is a major disease we evolve slightly. It could be said now that the human race is getting weaker and weaker as doctors manage to keep alive people that would have died not so very long ago and so end that run of bad genes. As Happy Harry said if God created man then who or what created God and on and on.	mikebartnz (21)
1155392	2010-11-22 22:25:00	These sort of discussions are always very interesting and I personally really enjoy them (many don't). I happen to be a Christian so a creationist by default. From my study there are a great many questions I have for both sides of the argument. However I have come to the conclusion that you require faith for both sides of the argument as there is quite a lot of information missing. I believe the conclusion that you require more faith for is to believe in the theory of evolution. Let me explain. Did you know that scientists do not have an example of a genetic mutation that adds information to a viable genome (not even one that I have found). Even our friend Mr Dawkins could not answer the question www.youtube.com This is the very thing that the Theory of Evolution pivots on, mutations increasing information in DNA. In Science you are meant to be able to test and measure and then retest just to make sure that you are right. Well with the Theory of Evolution they seem to just make stuff up to fit their paradigm with no real hard evidence. Please if you know of an mutation that results in an increase of genetic information in a viable organism please add it to the comments below, I will be interested in finding out. Here is an interesting website. The evolution of man scientifically disproved ldolphin.org It seems to me that the pushers of evolution have done very well good job at making sure that this theory which in many peoples opinion is not an accurate depiction of what happened taught in schools as a fact. At the same time as teaching people potentially misleading information they behave more like followers of a cult where any other ideas are immediately rubbished, even when there is much evidence to prove their truth. Anyway, a few ideas to add to this conversation :)	CyberHubHost (16073)
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