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| Thread ID: 114194 | 2010-11-22 03:18:00 | Pike River Coal Mine | Digby (677) | PC World Chat |
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| 1155453 | 2010-11-22 22:43:00 | Of course there are two sides to every story - the truth (facts) and the BS (emotions) generated by the media and the mis-informed :( | Zippity (58) | ||
| 1155454 | 2010-11-22 22:50:00 | Oh horrah, our one and only robot is broken . I hope those muppets running the show are starting to realize how stupid they are looking . "Sit tight lads, we are flying one in from the USA" *sigh* A sense of urgency and willingness to help a fellow man despite the risks seem to be sadly lacking from this entire case . What happened to the stories from the wars? When soldiers would risk their lives to rescue each other? How many of them ended up getting injured themselves but at least managed to save the other persons life . Think about it, what is better: 1 healthy person and 1 dead person . Or 2 injured but alive people . Risk taking is part of our daily life, and those in mining rescuing teams should know that theirs is a dangerous one and if they are not prepared to take life threatening risks, then they should bugger off and go get their nails polished . |
Bozo (8540) | ||
| 1155455 | 2010-11-22 23:08:00 | Sadly, they are kaput, dead, finished. Get over it. |
Zippity (58) | ||
| 1155456 | 2010-11-22 23:20:00 | [QUOTE=DemonHunter;969314] Think about it, what is better: 1 healthy person and 1 dead person. Or 2 injured but alive people. You forgot about the third alternative, 2 dead people |
Colpol (444) | ||
| 1155457 | 2010-11-22 23:21:00 | Sadly, they are kaput, dead, finished. Get over it. Sympathy clearly isn't one of your traits. Some of us have friends/family stuck in there, and saying "get over it" is a bit of a slap in the face with a wet fish. You forgot about the third alternative, 2 dead people I'm not suggesting that people go in creating sparks as they go, but ***, can't they do something? |
Bozo (8540) | ||
| 1155458 | 2010-11-22 23:25:00 | Sadly, they are kaput, dead, finished. Get over it. What a disgusting attitude! :( |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1155459 | 2010-11-22 23:33:00 | What a disgusting attitude! :( I think he needs to read and comprehend his own post #15 |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 1155460 | 2010-11-22 23:39:00 | Forgive me for being a realist . MB prove me wrong and I will readily apologise - life wasn't meant to be all roses and chocolates :( Don't let your raw emotions dictate your responses . It goes without saying that I was not happy making my earlier statement . But why remain silent?? |
Zippity (58) | ||
| 1155461 | 2010-11-22 23:41:00 | Thanks for the answers 'coldfront'. You clearly have never worn a BA set in your life I assume that when you use the word "you", it is meant as the "collective" (PF1 readers & general population). However if you do mean myself, Strommer, then you have made more than one incorrect inference. My questions are posted "as they stand", as items not known to me wanting straight forward answers. Any negative connotation should not be associated with me. About an hour ago on TV and radio it was explained that the breathing apparatus is not the same used by the Fire Service - they are not tanks but 'rebreathers'. The report included that the BA as shown by the news media recently was incorrect, not the type used by the mine rescue team. 3. Why wasn't the robot considered to be used earlier? Who says it was not? Logistics, risk and making the thing safe to not risk for endangering any survival chances My question should have been: "The news media did not report that the robot was considered to be used earlier. Was it considered and then actively sought, prior to the news reports? If a robot was not actively sought soon after the explosion, i.e. by Saturday morning, why was this?" My answer: Most likely it was due to the danger of sparks from the robot. Time was needed for the NZ Army to make modifications. My guess is that the rescue team did ask the Army on Saturday if not late on Friday - but this has not been reported by the news media AFAIK. 4. Is the breathing apparatus used by the rescue team the best available? Short of a Nasa Spacesuit not designed to walk on the earth with yes! You clearly have never worn a BA set in your life. I was a hard rock (not coal) miner for one year, working at a depth of 1400 feet, overseas. I had a brief safety lesson when starting the job which included the use of rudimentary gear for dust filtering and a small air tank. It was a long time ago, when I was a young and fit. Technology has changed greatly since then and all I have seen recently are fire fighter BA's when visiting a fire fighter friend. BTW, the mine I worked in had a bad safety policy - e.g. we only wore safety glasses when the mine inspectors came once year. The safety lesson that I had was brief and irrelevant (there was no dust at all as it was a wet mine so the dust filters were not needed). Two miners were squashed like pancakes from a cave-in a few years before I worked there. I quit soon after our foreman attempted suicide by cutting the required 6 foot fuses to 6 inches so the blast would get him - I saw him doing it and got the hell out of there after warning my work mates. There was also the time that the cage ('elevator') broke down and we had to use a system of escape shafts to climb out. There was another time a chain snapped on the surface when lowering 2 tons of machinery into the main shaft - the noise down at my level of 1400 feet was deafening and we laughed our heads off when one of our guys ran like crazy to the escape shaft - but he actually did the right thing while we were simply stupid. It may sound like a cr*p job but I actually loved it and had no fear at all when underground... until the very end when I realized how unsafe the mine was. I was like most all guys in their early 20's who see themselves as 'bullet proof' and do not think straight. |
Strommer (42) | ||
| 1155462 | 2010-11-22 23:41:00 | Forgive me for being a realist . MB prove me wrong and I will readily apologise - life wasn't meant to be all roses and chocolates . :( There is a time to be blunt and a realist and there is a time not to be . Posting such thoughts on a forum when there are people who will possibly grieving at the loss of friends/family is bloody disgusting . You should be ashamed with yourself . |
Bozo (8540) | ||
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