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Thread ID: 114142	2010-11-19 16:57:00	NZ Mine Explosion	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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1154686	2010-11-20 10:31:00	Yet more crap is being written by the internet experts who have simply no idea on what processes will be and are being followed. A BA equiped "volunteer" entering a volitile poisonous atmosphere would have around 30 minutes to conduct any rescue before the air cylinder they carry would expire, let alone the effect of exhaustion from body heat within that suit. Second point NO single person would be allowed to go in for that reason. Lot more I could say about conducting a rescue in a dangerous confined space without knowing the risks. And to Digby and prefect I am sure your your local fire station is manned by volunteers that would be keen to have you onboard with your enthusiasm. All I am saying is a lot of people think the plod is ******* around while the miners are probaly suffocating thats all. My Neigbour thinks that, my mate who came around to borrow my TIG said the same, my wife said the same, my 14 yr old said the same. So dont use my name in vain. Its the new way of doing things in this country and because it does not affect me I have no opinion on it am completely neutral.	prefect (6291)
1154687	2010-11-20 10:42:00	Lived in Greymouth for a few years and still love going there. Very sad time, will be great if they find anyone else alive. Coasters are tough though, they will cope with it better than any other community could.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1154688	2010-11-20 11:00:00	Not saying I'm an expert ... but seriously think there should have been some investigation by a single experienced miner to at least the point where the other two managed to waalk out from. I've been pondering the whole lack of information. My guess is the rescuers know a whole lot more than we realise. Their focus will be on getting in and finding the guys, not worrying about the media. Furthermore the families of the 29 men will come a long way in front of anyone else when it comes to sharing knowledge. And that is exactly as it should be. The facts will be known to the world soon enough and the only thing we can do is say a silent prayer for everyone involved.	Winston001 (3612)
1154689	2010-11-20 11:24:00	All I am saying is a lot of people think the plod is ******* around while the miners are probaly suffocating thats all. My Neigbour thinks that, my mate who came around to borrow my TIG said the same, my wife said the same, my 14 yr old said the same. So dont use my name in vain. Its the new way of doing things in this country and because it does not affect me I have no opinion on it am completely neutral. Says the internet hero. It's always easier said than done. So much bravado in the face of a monitor screen. Only god knows whether or not that bravado would remain if you were put in there right now. The risk of losing multiple rescuers would be as equally tragic to losing the 27 miners, no team leader would want that on their heads.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
1154690	2010-11-20 11:41:00	Says the internet hero. It's always easier said than done. So much bravado in the face of a monitor screen. Only god knows whether or not that bravado would remain if you were put in there right now. The risk of losing multiple rescuers would be as equally tragic to losing the 27 miners, no team leader would want that on their heads. I was actually wondering if you can understand English that well, please look up neutral in your indon to anglais dictionary.	prefect (6291)
1154691	2010-11-20 17:23:00	Even if they are volunteers, you don't want to send them in where they could die? Would you send in volunteers, without knowing it's safe and that you might be sending them to their deaths? Do firemen enter burning buildings, or do they wait until the fires out? :rolleyes:	B.M. (505)
1154692	2010-11-20 17:28:00	Do firemen enter burning buildings, or do they wait until the fires out? :rolleyes: Good point. And if it's not possible for a volunteer to go in their with full breathing apparatus, how can you expect 29 men to stay alive with all that methane gas and a 20 minute air supply? Perhaps they could drop one of those OSH manuals down the ventilation shaft ! Don't worry lad's you're on your own. Just dig yourselves out. And do you notice how the news media starts each news bulletin with "its now Hour 38" etc.	Digby (677)
1154693	2010-11-20 18:20:00	All I am saying is a lot of people think the plod is ******* around while the miners are probaly suffocating thats all. My Neigbour thinks that, my mate who came around to borrow my TIG said the same, my wife said the same, my 14 yr old said the same. So dont use my name in vain. Its the new way of doing things in this country and because it does not affect me I have no opinion on it am completely neutral. Any of them got knowledge or experiance of the situation? Any of them worn a BA, scuba or one these air packs to know how long the air supplys last? Any of them heard of CIMS? Yes thats the structure of control in dealing with an incident that involves multiple agencies.	coldfront (15814)
1154694	2010-11-20 18:27:00	I've been pondering the whole lack of information . My guess is the rescuers know a whole lot more than we realise . Their focus will be on getting in and finding the guys, not worrying about the media . No kidding!!! One thing I was taught with the emergency services is DO NOT TALK TO THE MEDIA . Lots of things happen that the meia are not made aware of this one is being handled pretty good, with the media blocked form getting in the way of the people who are doing what they should do . A chain of command releases information when needed, not when the media wants it .	coldfront (15814)
1154695	2010-11-20 18:30:00	Do firemen enter burning buildings, or do they wait until the fires out? :rolleyes: No they eliminate the hazzard.	coldfront (15814)
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