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Thread ID: 114142	2010-11-19 16:57:00	NZ Mine Explosion	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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1154676	2010-11-20 09:24:00	Which rule book are you quoting from ? I said ask for volunteers ! If there are no volunteers, then fair enough. And yes why is a policeman running the show and not an experienced miner? Unit standards 18426 Demonstrate knowledge of hazards associated with confined space 17599 Plan a confined space entry 14562 Perform specialist rescues in confined spaces Is sending volunteers to their death a lesser crime? And come on,You would have to be a bit thick to think the police spokesman is running the show,or even has a say.	Metla (12)
1154677	2010-11-20 09:44:00	"And come on,You would have to be a bit thick to think the police spokesman is running the show,or even has a say." But thats the impression I get watching the news reports. I come from a coal mining community in South Wales and find the police making the decisions about when to attempt the rescue very strange. Is there someting in NZ law that gives them that ultimate responsibility?	martynz (5445)
1154678	2010-11-20 09:56:00	Perhaps, Digby, you could do a better job? No? I thought not. Fly me down there and I'll ask for volunteers. If they volunteer I'll send them in. If no one volunteers, well just wait for the police chief to do his thing. Did you see the movie K9 I think ? about the Russian submarine that had a breakdown in its nuclear reactor. Guys volunteered to go into to the reactor to repair it, knowing they were no going to live. They did it to save their mates. They have a lot of coal mine disasters in China, I wonder how long they wait before going in ?	Digby (677)
1154679	2010-11-20 09:56:00	"And come on,You would have to be a bit thick to think the police spokesman is running the show,or even has a say." But thats the impression I get watching the news reports. I come from a coal mining community in South Wales and find the police making the decisions about when to attempt the rescue very strange. Is there someting in NZ law that gives them that ultimate responsibility? As far as I'm aware they have no responsibility ,I certainly wouldn't be in a hurry to hand over control of a site to the police unless it was obvious they had some relevant specialist skills , Though I would hand it over to the fire service in an instant My assumption is its just easy to use them for press releases, They have plenty of real experts steering the ship.	Metla (12)
1154680	2010-11-20 10:09:00	I would have thought they there was safety gear available, hazmat suit, breathing apparatus and communications equipment which a single volunteer could safely enter the mine and give a running commentary to the "top brass" .... and surely they have a portable gas analyser (or a bloody budgie in a cage like the old days) which would indicate toxic gases. With the shaft ventilation system out ... could be considered good or bad ... too much fresh air could result in a very explosive environment .... less air (oxygen) would actually reduce the risk of secondary explosion. I am saddened by the whole affair and wish all will returned safe ... unfortunately, I think the delay in getting a first hand information from within the mine is excessive. My thought are with all on the Coast tonight.	SP8's (9836)
1154681	2010-11-20 10:14:00	I think what a lot of people are thinking is why dont some miners say **** this I am going in and having a look and you arent going to stop me. Thats what happened rightly or wrongly in the past. People just need to get to grips with the modern way of doing things its all OSHified now boyo.	prefect (6291)
1154682	2010-11-20 10:15:00	Did you see the movie K9 I think ? about the Russian submarine that had a breakdown in its nuclear reactor. K-19: The widowmaker. Good movie.	ubergeek85 (131)
1154683	2010-11-20 10:19:00	Latest reports suggest there has been no evidence of collapse in the mine, so there's only 2 threats to the guys down there - the original concussion of the blast, and the damned gasses that have probably been building even higher since the first blast. Altho if the rescue is delayed too much longer then you have to wonder about dehydration taking them out as well. Seems silly to me that they expect a compromised ventilation system to lower the gases, as it is probably inadequacies of the ventilation gear that set all this off in the first place... and that was prior to the blast lowering its performance even further. My old man used to have a pocket sized device for detecting combustibles. It would even register the stuff on your breath, or from your rear... if this thing was safe enough to use around LPG, then why isn't it readily available for mines?	Paul.Cov (425)
1154684	2010-11-20 10:21:00	Yet more crap is being written by the internet experts who have simply no idea on what processes will be and are being followed. A BA equiped "volunteer" entering a volitile poisonous atmosphere would have around 30 minutes to conduct any rescue before the air cylinder they carry would expire, let alone the effect of exhaustion from body heat within that suit. Second point NO single person would be allowed to go in for that reason. Lot more I could say about conducting a rescue in a dangerous confined space without knowing the risks. And to Digby and prefect I am sure your your local fire station is manned by volunteers that would be keen to have you onboard with your enthusiasm.	coldfront (15814)
1154685	2010-11-20 10:30:00	Not saying I'm an expert ... but seriously think there should have been some investigation by a single experienced miner to at least the point where the other two managed to waalk out from. They have got an air supply in a safe room somewhere ... however, the guy who was closest to the explosion was knocked unconscious for a time ... if this happened to others deeper in the mine, would they have been able to get there emergency breathing packs on in time ?? Got a sinking feeling about this one ....	SP8's (9836)
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