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| Thread ID: 114194 | 2010-11-22 03:18:00 | Pike River Coal Mine | Digby (677) | PC World Chat |
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| 1155433 | 2010-11-22 21:29:00 | 7. Is it not possible to walk in the mine without creating a spark? These questions may have been answered via the news media, but I am not aware of this. I would think that there are reasonable answers, and I am not inferring blame or incompetence of the rescue team. Exactly - I can't fathom this. As far as I know the media hasn't answered this question. Why on earth can't a few people suit up and walk in? Simple question. |
wratterus (105) | ||
| 1155434 | 2010-11-22 21:37:00 | Some misinformation they have given out is that BA sets would only last 30 minutes. This is not true they have rebreathers. The only thing I can work out is they think someone walking in might make a spark and set off another explosion dont know because they arent telling us yet. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 1155435 | 2010-11-22 21:40:00 | I heard yesterday that they were flying in something from Queensland. Even the US has offered help - there is no excuse under the sun for having sub par equipment on the job, but it seems like the media is making out this is the case. They have had plenty of time to fly in any breathing/protective equipment from anywhere in the world and use it...there is something not adding up, but I suspect it is the media's fault... | wratterus (105) | ||
| 1155436 | 2010-11-22 21:43:00 | For clarity, here is a summary of my questions: 1. Why wasn't the present drilling started earlier? 2. In what way is the rescue team "experienced"? 3. Why wasn't the robot considered to be used earlier? 4. Is the breathing apparatus used by the rescue team the best available? 5. How much time does the breathing apparatus allow the rescuers, and would this be enough time for them to find the miners and return? 6. Why didn't the methane detectors warn the miners? 7. Is it not possible to walk in the mine without creating a spark? ... These questions may have been answered via the news media, but I am not aware of this. I would think that there are reasonable answers, and I am not inferring blame or incompetence of the rescue team. I’m in yours and Digby’s team on this one. Here are a couple of questions I’d like answered. What makes them think that the combustible gas level is ever going to drop of its own accord? It’s a coal mine and coal mines inherently produce combustible gasses endlessly. Given they now have no way to extract the gasses surely they are only going to accumulate and as oxygen re-enters the tunnel it will be more dangerous than ever. Personally, I believe the best chance they had of success was immediately after the explosion. There was hardly likely to be much gas or oxygen around and although there would still have been dangers they would have been less than they are now. Also, if there were any survivors, then surely rescue after 5 hours would be infinitely better than 5 days. Let’s face it, people work all the time in explosive surroundings, from drilling rigs to gunpowder factories and when there’s a problem it’s usually something like an electrical fault that caused it, not somebody suitably attired walking on foot. There's a lot of questions to be answered alright including how it happened in the first place given it is 2010 and warning systems are readily available. |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1155437 | 2010-11-22 21:50:00 | Yes it is about time you shut up! Please take notice of your own words. Quite frankly I am totally sick of the media and now just switch off as all they are doing is just regurgitating what has been said before and surely some of these people being interviewed would be best left to do the job on hand. |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 1155438 | 2010-11-22 22:01:00 | Quite frankly I am totally sick of the media and now just switch off as all they are doing is just regurgitating what has been said before and surely some of these people being interviewed would be best left to do the job on hand. Same here. Haven't really bothered watching the TV news over the last few nights. :( |
Trev (427) | ||
| 1155439 | 2010-11-22 22:01:00 | Yes guys, lets not rubbish each other so this thread gets nasty. Lets just try and keep it professional. Strommer adds some very good questions to my previous list. Ok hindsight is a wonderful thing. But all of the things the 'experts" are doing now, should have been done or started on day 2 Ie Saturday morning. Now we have a real expert from an English Coal Mining university school saying he cannot understand why they have not sent one or two people in, at least as far as they can go to find out the gas levels. He said the two guys walked out, so why can't guys walk in. There would be lots of volunteers (aside from BM and me). And why was there not stores of food in there ? Best International practice said it is not needed ! Hello! - the Chilean miners had to wait for 17 days before a hole was drilled to them to pass food down. They live don cans of tuna. Our guys may die before the gas level goes down. How many days are the experts prepared to wait ? And we have had a real expert Australia Journalist who was at their Tasmanian mine disaster saying our journalists are not asking the tough questions! So you see there are always 2 sides to every story. |
Digby (677) | ||
| 1155440 | 2010-11-22 22:04:00 | I am very impressed with the way the CEO has handled the media and just his demeanor. Heres to hoping something happens today. | Gobe1 (6290) | ||
| 1155441 | 2010-11-22 22:11:00 | @ Coldfront - I'm not trying to start another argument here, so please don't respond to this post in a manner that will trigger one. You've been very anti any suggestions that members here have had in regards to possible options for proceeding with a rescue - yes it is true that 99% of the people here including myself have no knowledge of the ins and outs of this kind of operation, but from what you've said it sounds like you do. I'd be very interested to hear what background knowledge you have in this area if you are happy to share it. |
wratterus (105) | ||
| 1155442 | 2010-11-22 22:14:00 | There might be two sides to every story but we have to have the facts and we simply do not have them at this time. When something goes wrong it is natural to cast blame and I might add that it is very often lack of accurate information that kills people. Or alternatively having accurate information and ignoring same. For me, I'd rather the people charged with the operation take the best advice they can get and we can help best by letting them get on with it. |
Snorkbox (15764) | ||
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