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| Thread ID: 114142 | 2010-11-19 16:57:00 | NZ Mine Explosion | SurferJoe46 (51) | PC World Chat |
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| 1154666 | 2010-11-20 08:08:00 | Why, because before you get a "cave in" there is always a trickle of soil the comes first and if your dressed to kill you can’t feel it. :crying This deserves special mention for its absurdity, I've worked often in trenches and excavations, and had the misfortune of having one collapse, It fell as a solid sheet from behind me, Initial impact was across the back of my shoulders and it drove me straight to the ground, Initially I thought someone had fallen on me. Luckily the amount was not enough to pin me to the ground as I would be quite dead. Guess I missed the trickle of soil I was meant to be watching for aye? :rolleyes: Trench collapse is one of the worse incidents that can happen and more often then not they are fatal, Putting controls in place and following safe work practices will keep you much safer then going naked and hoping to spot some tell-tale trickle of soil. If anything this discussion has high-lighted how superior our current system is. At the very least people are now educated on the hazards and a minimum level of knowledge of the job at hand is required, and processes are in place to ensure people such as yourself can't put others in danger. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 1154667 | 2010-11-20 08:14:00 | No wonder I have not bothered to read or reply to this thread until now. The amount of Internet expspurts on rescue just really astounds me to what you think should be done based on what? Your experiance of TV shows? Lets get something straight I am a Trained Firefighter and have a rescue experiance dating long before I joined the volly fireys, then even I do not know what should or should not be done with this incident in fact I leave the rescue planning to the real experts those with the experiance in these matters. First rule of the safe person concept! You dont put youself at risk if the outcome is going to take your life. That means NOT charging into a dangerous situation and becoming a victim yourself. |
coldfront (15814) | ||
| 1154668 | 2010-11-20 08:32:00 | Yes it could be fatal to send in volunteers for a look but I thought that was the British way. Look after your mates even if it is is very risky and highly likely you will get killed, it never stopped brave Britishers before. Thats the way its been in the past so thats why a lot of people are wondering why its taking so long to go in. I guess its just like the feldpolizei waiting around at an armed robbery in sud auckland where the man bled to death he would be eating curry today if someone was prepared to put his ass on the line. Maybe our safety culture now is so tight that heroics are a thing of the past. I wonder if the NZ Army has a safety culture could they send guys down tunnels to check for and kill vietcong like they used to. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 1154669 | 2010-11-20 08:41:00 | Just in; Police have released the nationalities of the 29 miners tripped underground at the Pike River coal mine. Superintendent Gary Knowles said that based on information provided by the mining company Police believe there are 24 New Zealanders, two Australians, two British citizens and one South African. Superintendent Knowles said air samples taken late this afternoon continued to indicate that gas levels in the mine were high, and the risk to rescuers entering the mine was too great. "Further samples will be taken in the morning, when the risks will be reassessed," he said. "It is a very complex situation and there are numerious risks we have to consider." "We will continue to work through the night, and constantly reassess the situation." "Everyone here is totally focussed on getting these men out and returning them to their families," Superintendent Knowles said. Police continue to receive offers of support from within New Zealand and internationally. Superintendent Knowles said police were assessing those offers. "In the meantime we have excellent input from the experts already here, specially the mine rescue specialists. "There is also significant support and back up being provided by Police from around the country. We are bringing in extra staff to provide help accross a range of roles and support functions." "There is also coordination and liasion support being provided by Police staff in other parts of the country," Superintendent Knowles said. Media note: There will be no further updates tonight. A media conference will be held at Greymouth Police Station at 0800 tomorrow (Sunday. Police media communications contact: Grant Ogilvie Police Public Affairs, PNHQ Mobile 027236 9974 - in Greymouth Russell Pilcher Police Public Affairs, PNHQ Mobile 027 437 0148 - Wellington All media updates will be published on the NZ Police website - www.police.govt.nz |
ubergeek85 (131) | ||
| 1154670 | 2010-11-20 08:42:00 | If anything this discussion has high-lighted how superior our current system is. At the very least people are now educated on the hazards and a minimum level of knowledge of the job at hand is required, and processes are in place to ensure people such as yourself can't put others in danger. You’re kidding, there is more people injured at work today than there ever was. :lol: Ask ACC. :lol: In my case I can’t name one person that was killed or suffered any serious or permanent injury the whole time I was contracting. And the problem is, that these days they think that because they are decked out in the most fashionable safety gear they are bullet proof. Let me assure you, that if a trench or a tunnel collapses on you it doesn’t matter a stuff what you’re wearing. Most accidents care not about your attire. But going back to my first post, I still say that if there are survivors, then their only chance of survival is if they let the experienced Miners run things and send the local cop back to traffic duties. The way things are shaping I can see the Coroners Report: Cause of Death: Starvation. :rolleyes: |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1154671 | 2010-11-20 08:52:00 | Let me assure you, that if a trench or a tunnel collapses on you it doesn’t matter a stuff what you’re wearing. Most accidents care not about your attire. Let me assure you, in the event of a trench collapse you would be found far easier if you were wearing a vest, Skin blends in perfectly with dirt. It maybe the difference between life and death, and it takes no effort to slip one on. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 1154672 | 2010-11-20 09:09:00 | Let me assure you, in the event of a trench collapse you would be found far easier if you were wearing a vest, Skin blends in perfectly with dirt. It maybe the difference between life and death, and it takes no effort to slip one on. Yeah, they’d be looking for you but I’d be gone because I’d got the warning. ;) Unfortunately, if you get buried in a Cave-In, you chances aren’t good, fancy vest, of no fancy vest. The idea is not to get caught.;) |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1154673 | 2010-11-20 09:09:00 | First rule of emergency rescue from a confined space, do not send anymore into die. Which rule book are you quoting from ? I said ask for volunteers ! If there are no volunteers, then fair enough. And yes why is a policeman running the show and not an experienced miner? And that was a good point about that South Auckland shooting waiting half an hour to make sure no one was there ? This will make a good movie, probably get Bruce Willis or Steven Segal to star as the rescue chief, they'd probably wait for a week or so. |
Digby (677) | ||
| 1154674 | 2010-11-20 09:15:00 | Perhaps, Digby, you could do a better job? No? I thought not. | KarameaDave (15222) | ||
| 1154675 | 2010-11-20 09:19:00 | Even if they are volunteers, you don't want to send them in where they could die? Would you send in volunteers, without knowing it's safe and that you might be sending them to their deaths? | nerd (109) | ||
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