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Thread ID: 114142	2010-11-19 16:57:00	NZ Mine Explosion	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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1154656	2010-11-20 06:47:00	First rule of emergency rescue from a confined space, do not send anymore into die. Therefore the first order of business to find out whats in that tunnel, Granted everyone is an internet expert, and internet experts can ignore what real world actions have shown us over and over and over again. What the worst that could happen?...well, sending in the rescue party to die would be the worst,And then the internet experts would be frothing at the mouth. This smells like the police over cautious response to that store robbery and shooting in South Auckland a couple of years ago where cops would not let the medics in until they were 100% sure that the robbers had gone which to everyone else on the scene was pretty obvious . Buy the time they let the medics in ( about 30 minutes) the store owner was past it. Imagine if a fire chief would let his crew into a building until he was sure there fire was out..	paulw (1826)
1154657	2010-11-20 06:55:00	Thanks for that, I've just asked about this on KB. I can understand the risks of methane gas but mining has come a long way in the past 50 years and is far safer than it used to be. Wouldn't there be specialised rescue equipment nearby enabling people in breathing gear to quickly enter? Apparently this is a straightish tunnel, not a deep shaft, plus there is a ventilation/escape shaft to the top of the hill. Its the top of that shaft which is shown in photos, with blackened equipment from the explosion. I'm finding this very distressing to think about. Just hope these men are safe. We can only speculate, Info coming out is near nothing. Obviously something is holding them back, They must have ascertained what sort of work is required, that something is in the atmosphere, how long it will take, what gear is required, and the capabilities/limitations of that gear. Those involved are reported to be highly trained in the risks so I'd let them run it how they have to, Finger pointing if warrented can be done afterwards. Human nature (rushing to the rescue) has killed many people in confined space emergencies,	Metla (12)
1154658	2010-11-20 06:57:00	Imagine if a fire chief wouldn't let his crew into a building until he was sure there fire was out.. I'd imagine they would put the fire out first.....	Metla (12)
1154659	2010-11-20 07:00:00	Whats the bet his experience and capabilities are extensive, and yours are non-existent. Well I worked on the Kaimai Tunnel and the Ruahihi Dam. How about you? Tell us about your expertise. :lol:	B.M. (505)
1154660	2010-11-20 07:10:00	Well I worked on the Kaimai Tunnel and the Ruahihi Dam. How about you? Tell us about your expertise. :lol: Currently health and safety manager on projects totaling 32m, 20 years almost continuous work in high risk multiple hazard sites including confined spaces and gas plants, extensive training and experience in emergency situations and rescues. And there is no way in hell I would want to be in charge of this situation, nor would I be in a position to judge those who are. Its a pity you learned nothing during your stint on those projects, You would get people killed (definitely yourself) if your actions are as dumb as your words.	Metla (12)
1154661	2010-11-20 07:20:00	Thanks for that, I've just asked about this on KB. I can understand the risks of methane gas but mining has come a long way in the past 50 years and is far safer than it used to be. Wouldn't there be specialised rescue equipment nearby enabling people in breathing gear to quickly enter? Apparently this is a straightish tunnel, not a deep shaft, plus there is a ventilation/escape shaft to the top of the hill. Its the top of that shaft which is shown in photos, with blackened equipment from the explosion. I'm finding this very distressing to think about. Just hope these men are safe. Breathing gear is not much use while the risk of another explosion is still uncertain	plod (107)
1154662	2010-11-20 07:28:00	Go Metla! :) Seriously...not a time for squabbling. Let's hope there's some good news to wake up to tomorrow.	legod (4626)
1154663	2010-11-20 07:42:00	I'll say this. Whomever is leading this rescue (and it will be a bunch of people weighing up the situation and deciding on how to proceed) this will be the hardest thing they have ever had to do in their lives, They won't know if the calls they make are correct until well after the event. They will carry this with them for the rest of their lives no matter what the result. They and all those involved have my utmost respect, They want to get the people rescued just as much as the families and friends of those trapped. Lets hope for the best possible outcome,and save the lynching for another time.	Metla (12)
1154664	2010-11-20 07:43:00	Currently health and safety manager on projects totaling 32m, 20 years almost continuous work in high risk multiple hazard sites including confined spaces and gas plants, extensive training and experience in emergency situations and rescues. And there is no way in hell I would want to be in charge of this situation, nor would I be in a position to judge those who are. Its a pity you learned nothing during your stint on those projects, You would get people killed (definitely yourself) if your actions are as dumb as your words. Oh my goodness me, a Health and Safety Officer. And here I thought you were a Computer Tech in Wanganui? Anyway, let me show you how to get the job done the old way. :D Note: No animals were hurt in the taking of this photo! www.imagef1.net.nz(Large).jpg The pipes were down 26feet and no digger had the reach so we had to dig the digger down. Now note: The Hard Hat, the Fluro Jacket, the Timbering and Shoring, no those are not steel capped boots, they are Tramping Boots because Tramping Boots had stitched in Tongues and didn’t leak. Ah yes, riding in a digger bucket, tsk, tsk. :blush: And did you know that working in conditions like this we always took our shirts off. :eek: Why, because before you get a "cave in" there is always a trickle of soil the comes first and if your dressed to kill you can’t feel it. :crying You see, there is a difference between actually doing the job and reading the book. ;)	B.M. (505)
1154665	2010-11-20 07:49:00	You see, there is a difference between actually doing the job and reading the book. ;) The idea is to read the book beforehand, That way you can learn from the mistakes of others rather then by repeating them. There are reasons a code of practice was written for trenching, Its because of dead people. Dead people who were shown how to do it by people such as yourself. Having said that, Its perfectly fine to over excavate the trench and locate the excavator on a lower level.	Metla (12)
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