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| Thread ID: 114128 | 2010-11-18 21:16:00 | Idiots on two wheels | Zippity (58) | PC World Chat |
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| 1154455 | 2010-11-19 02:24:00 | Sorry johcar, but I'm pretty sure no one will ever be on your side here mate. Wrong there Roddy, I'm wth Johcar here even though I can't ride at the moment. I get fed up with the car lobby always pushing there view with no regard for anyone else, yes it can be dangerous to ride on the road but so is riding on a shared footpath where the pedestrians just want to push you into the traffic. I know some cyclists break the rules but is certainly not the majority where as car, bus, truck breaking the rules is the majority but do any of you jump up and down making a huge song and dance about it No you don't it's just pushed under the carpet and labelled hijinks. So tell me how can one group of road users break the rules while another group get blamed for everything when not breaking the rules |
gary67 (56) | ||
| 1154456 | 2010-11-19 02:25:00 | Actually no not this time, I personally think all cyclists should be banned from my roads. (see thats a troll) |
DeSade (984) | ||
| 1154457 | 2010-11-19 02:38:00 | Obviously it pays not to post here if you disagree with the minority of idiots (read "name callers") :( | Zippity (58) | ||
| 1154458 | 2010-11-19 02:39:00 | Have you ever seen one of these cyclist huas with fancy bike and gear not run a red light if they see a gap. I am not really anti bike but I came off my 12 speed bike when I was pissed and hurt my nose needed stitches. Thought I was doing the right thing by not driving. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 1154459 | 2010-11-19 02:46:00 | And for every cyclist running red lights how many pedestrians crossing where ever and when ever they like. Why get so wound up about it? Is it the frustration of being stuck in traffic? | PaulD (232) | ||
| 1154460 | 2010-11-19 02:54:00 | For me its the holier-than-thou attitude, as in motorists must make all the concessions to cyclists cause the evil motorist is protected by a steel shell. The reality is a lot of cyclists put themselves into dangerous situations. |
DeSade (984) | ||
| 1154461 | 2010-11-19 03:32:00 | Is that really not perhaps just your perception of an 'attitude' of a cyclist from a motorist viewpoint? EDIT: Unless you actually met and spoke with the person, how can you really tell what their attitude is in the 15 seconds they go flying past you? Why shouldn't the more vulnerable be protected - or at least be recognised as people, rather than objects? Your "hood ornament" comments are tough words, although perhaps understandable in some circumstances, but I think you wouldn't see the funny side if there was a cyclist's or pedestrian's body half way through your windscreen. No matter whose fault it was. It's not something you would forget in a hurry - or joke about with your mates - when you realise that your vehicle, in your control has killed or maimed someone's husband/wife/brother/sister/father/mother etc |
johcar (6283) | ||
| 1154462 | 2010-11-19 03:40:00 | Is that really not perhaps just your perception of an 'attitude' of a cyclist from a motorist viewpoint? EDIT: Unless you actually met and spoke with the person, how can you really tell what their attitude is in the 15 seconds they go flying past you? Why shouldn't the more vulnerable be protected - or at least be recognised as people, rather than objects? Your "hood ornament" comments are tough words, although perhaps understandable in some circumstances, but I think you wouldn't see the funny side if there was a cyclist's or pedestrian's body half way through your windscreen. No matter whose fault it was. It's not something you would forget in a hurry - or joke about with your mates - when you realise that your vehicle, in your control has killed or maimed someone's husband/wife/brother/sister/father/mother etc I completely understand the sentiment that your expressing here and for most people it might actually work that way, not for me thou. Just because their actions lead to their death does not absolve them of the responsibilty and the blame for the incident. If I am at fault I will be the first to admit it and do whatever I can to make amends in whatever way I can for it, and you situation would apply and I would be devastated by it. But if its not my fault then I would barely bat a eyelid, call it cold, callous whatever, the simple fact is I do not allow the stupidity of others to effect me. I would also instruct my insurance to pursue the family for the cost of repairs to my car. Again why should the stupidity of the cyclist leave me out of pocket. I am a firm believer in taking ownership of the situations where your involved and at fault, this is merely an extension of that belief. Just because their actions lead to their death does not absolve them from the responsibility of the blame for the incident. |
DeSade (984) | ||
| 1154463 | 2010-11-19 03:54:00 | I like how you think DeSade. I've had my fair share of close calls on a bike - once you ride for a week, you see how dangerous it is, with some of the loons out there. In saying that, I'm not saying that cyclists are perfect - TBH I think both sides are in the wrong at times. Nearly been wiped out because some sod didn't bother to check behind him before opening his door, nearly sent me under a bus. Shoulda gotten off and punched him, instead I just swore at him and rode off. Also had the usual, drivers turning in front of me, cutting me off, etc etc. My point? FOLLOW THE GOD DAMNED RULES! No matter who you are, Don't run red lights (for cyclists), Check your blardy mirrors (for cars), Don't cut across lanes without warning (both), etc etc. |
ubergeek85 (131) | ||
| 1154464 | 2010-11-19 03:55:00 | I read these anti cyclists remarks on this forum and other boards it seems constantly nowdays. Yet its been this way ever since I first started riding a bike well before getting my driving licence. Maybe thats why I am more tolerant of cyclists than others? I was unable to get a car licence until 17 so started out as a cyclist venturing into the big wide world cycling 20-30 miles just to explore to roads around the city I lived and get out into the country. Somehow I think that learning curve made me realise how much tolerance is needed and how we all interat on the road. Yet here I read constantly anger towards cyslists and see the results either on the road or read about it. True some cyclists are a menace BUT is that not true about vehicle drivers (not just cars)as well? The worst part about it is that the same arrogant car drivers could even be on push bikes and vica versa. Hence you get another problem. The last five or six years I have given up cycling because of location and the hazzards of that location and the aggresive drivers that New Zealand is now breeding. Twenty years ago (I had a driving licence then as well) I was involved in a bad cycling incident with car driver in the UK. It was on a section of two laned road approaching traffic lights in front of me was two cars indicating left so I stayed behind them. When the lights changed I was fully aware of their intentions, on reflection I should have pushed forward to the junction and got infont of them this would have avoided the incident that followed. A car behind me also wanted to turn left however he was not indicating that intention. It was a matter of two car lengths to the junction!!! This car driver who remember was following and starting from stationary decided that he would swing wide around me at the junction. The result was a collision him driving over my front wheel and me being pinned to the ground by my bike. Not my fault plenty of witnesses including the driver behind us and this driver was arrogant in the belief it was my fault. The insurance company even tried to 50/50 blame but my solicitor said no way. Nothing has changed much still the same attitude towards cyclists only now days you got the internet and more vocal and actual threats. I see a cyclist on the road I give them room, if they disobey the road rules I keep my calm knowing full well the damage the metal box I am driving could cause them. The fact is a bike is more agile than your car no matter how big your engine or ego and the fact is you are the one in the killing machine and you are the one that needs a licence to operate that killing machine. I wonder how many of the mouthy anti cyclist people are or will be parents in the future who will but their kid a pushbike? |
coldfront (15814) | ||
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