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Thread ID: 114194	2010-11-22 03:18:00	Pike River Coal Mine	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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1155633	2010-11-26 00:06:00	Sigh:- Jeremy, the former explosives technician with the Australian Army, has no idea if he thinks there was plenty of time to call in, brief, kit up and fly "someone" into the mine site from Christchurch or Dunedin and have them there within the 30 to 90 minutes of the explosion. He mentions this at 3m:20s into the interview. It would be interesting to know how soon after the blast, people outside the mine shaft actually knew there had been a blast, let alone organising this "Australian flight of fantasy". He said that time frame was preferable and the longer they left it the more dangerous it became. It took another week for it to blow again and within that time there were guys with the gear and the expertise who would back themselves and enter the mine. They weren't allowed.	B.M. (505)
1155634	2010-11-26 00:08:00	Nearest base would be Burnham, easily get there in 90mins by helicopter. However not sure of the staffing levels maintained there, I think its pretty low so may not be viable.	DeSade (984)
1155635	2010-11-26 00:22:00	He said that time frame was preferable and the longer they left it the more dangerous it became. It took another week for it to blow again and within that time there were guys with the gear and the expertise who would back themselves and enter the mine. They weren't allowed. Wrong another play on words! It was not safe for them to do so. The sooner the bodies are safely removed from the mine and autopsys are carried out the sooner the truth will be revealed of whether or not that was the correct decision. Really your pathetic arguing over what has happened when 29 families and a nation is in mourning the loss. Every incident a lesson is learned, every incident is differant and how that affects the outcome no one knows.	coldfront (15814)
1155636	2010-11-26 00:31:00	He said that time frame was preferable and the longer they left it the more dangerous it became. It took another week for it to blow again and within that time there were guys with the gear and the expertise who would back themselves and enter the mine. They weren't allowed. Ugh I really don't want to argue with your level of stupidity but seriously, dude, what is wrong with you? How old are you? From what height were you dropped on your head as a young child? Did your parents hate you that much that they did it repeatedly? I can't say I blame them. The longer they left it the more dangerous it became. It was dangerous from the beginning. The ****ing thing EXPLODED. It was always dangerous. It took 5 days to pop again. Who knew it would take this long to go again? No one. There was insufficient data to determine the rate at which the methane was flowing into the mine. Just give it up.	roddy_boy (4115)
1155637	2010-11-26 00:33:00	Nearest base would be Burnham, easily get there in 90mins by helicopter . However not sure of the staffing levels maintained there, I think its pretty low so may not be viable . A fully equiped helicopter ready to fly at a minutes notice? I dont think so You really think our army is so well equiped to deal with an incident of this nature? Sorry you are wrong the Fire Service has the Hazmat incident team on immediate notice the nearest being Christchurch 3 1/2 hours drive away . Bit of a dilemma here because who funds the equipment and personell to allow for a faster response in these kind of locations? How often would this equipment and trained personell be used? Theres your problem now the taxpayer or the Business owner to comply . Then where would the cost be passed on to? You really have no idea on how our emergency response plan in this country works . No surprise really . . . most people think they just lift up the phone and a purpose built rescue vehicle materilises . Sadly this is not the truth .	coldfront (15814)
1155638	2010-11-26 00:44:00	Day One At 3 . 30pm Friday a methane explosion threw loader driver Russell Smith 15 metres from his machine . Electrician Daniel Rockhouse, who was 1 . 7 kilometres into the mine, discovers Mr Smith . At 3 . 45pm there are first reports and both men emerge from the mine entrance at 5 . 51pm . At 6 . 11pm St John activate a national emergency response While mine rescue teams are on the scene quickly they don't enter because of fears dangerous gases could cause another blast . The first Fire Crew arrived at 510pm Let’s just stop there . 1: One guy was 1 . 7k into the mine and walked out coming across a mate on the way . They were both examined at Hospital and discharged . So I figure at 1 . 7k from the entrance the explosion wasn’t sufficient to hurt anyone . The rescue teams were ready to go, but were forbidden by Mr Plod . It looks to me like the rescue team would have been perfectly safe for the first 1 . 7k anyway, and as the Experts have all pointed out, after the blast was when the dangerous gasses would have been at there lowest point . They were never going to recede further . 2: If the Greymouth Fire Brigade arrived at 5:10pm then I don’t see why a helicopter couldn’t have arrived with specialist gear at the same time . I remain unconvinced that more/something couldn’t have been done . :(	B.M. (505)
1155639	2010-11-26 00:47:00	Ugh I really don't want to argue with your level of stupidity Likewise! :)	B.M. (505)
1155640	2010-11-26 01:04:00	Interesting to hear two prominent Australian mining experts this am on National Radio, strongly supporting what was done at Pike River, particularly the decision not to send in rescue teams. And later today, Supt Gary Knowles was applauded by family members when he addressed them. On the one side we have the armchair non-experts B.M. and prefect, neither of whom have been to Pike River, or seen the inside of a coal mine. On the other hand, the two Ozzie mine experts (at least one of whom has been there throughout) and the families. I should have thought that was QED...	John H (8)
1155641	2010-11-26 01:06:00	A fully equiped helicopter ready to fly at a minutes notice? I dont think so You really think our army is so well equiped to deal with an incident of this nature? You need to calm down and read this answer in the context of the question. Yes there is a Army base at Burnham Yes a Helicopter could get from there to Pike in 90 minutes. I commented on the fact I did not think staffing levels at Burnham would be viable for this. I did not comment on the readiness or availability of any Helicopter as I have no idea what equipement they have there or have access too.	DeSade (984)
1155642	2010-11-26 01:14:00	Let’s just stop there . 1: One guy was 1 . 7k into the mine and walked out coming across a mate on the way . They were both examined at Hospital and discharged . So I figure at 1 . 7k from the entrance the explosion wasn’t sufficient to hurt anyone . They were not in the direct path of the explosion Remember! They were off in a side passage away from the direct blast . The rescue teams were ready to go, but were forbidden by Mr Plod . Also wrong situation was not known at that point It looks to me like the rescue team would have been perfectly safe for the first 1 . 7k anyway, and as the Experts have all pointed out, after the blast was when the dangerous gasses would have been at there lowest point . They were never going to recede further . Did the timeline escape you again? 2: If the Greymouth Fire Brigade arrived at 5:10pm then I don’t see why a helicopter couldn’t have arrived with specialist gear at the same time . You assumed I was refering to Greymouth there is a Brigade closer and Greymouth is another 25 minutes further away . Specialist gear would have been the BA sets used by all NZFS and the portable gas detectors . I remain unconvinced that more/something couldn’t have been done . :( When you going to get it into your thick skull that the response to this incident was as fast as was humanly possible and that it was not possible to get in with that safety window .	coldfront (15814)
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