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| Thread ID: 114194 | 2010-11-22 03:18:00 | Pike River Coal Mine | Digby (677) | PC World Chat |
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| 1155623 | 2010-11-25 22:51:00 | I'm afraid I beg to differ. The training of a Bomb Disposal expert and a Explosive Consultant to the Australian Army is not the same as a Volunteer Fireman. :rolleyes: I personally prefer their take on things, as do a number of others. No disrespect to Volunteer Fireman, but I’m afraid they are out of their depth here, as were a number of others. Now go and listen carefully to what this guy says and tell me where he is wrong. I’ll even post the link again for you. www.radiolive.co.nz You missed my point being a lot of volunteer fireman happen to have experiances or are working in other fields where there knowledge is required. I will not use the term Expert here which is a term well misused when describing someones experiance in a certain matter. Many of the volunteer fireys who responded were miners. You really have twisted this around by now saying that the experianced Miners on the ground and mine rescue people were not better equiped to deal with this either. You really do miss the point that reaction time was dicated by how far away those specialists in the required fields were to the scene. Note again not using the term experts but specialists! You also have forgotten that in the mine Milton Osborne not just a local council official but the Deputy Chief Fire Officer of the Ngahere brigade one of the volunteer brigades. You also forgotten that one of the miners was also a member of the Mines Rescue Group....Actually there is a lot you have forgotten about how close knit the community is in the remote parts of New Zealand and how the community works together. But no you would rather take potshots at these people with your experts who follow the lines of critisium you have shown all through this incident. |
coldfront (15814) | ||
| 1155624 | 2010-11-25 22:55:00 | Well that makes two confirmed idiots on this blog :) I counted 4 but the others will be along shortly no doubt. |
coldfront (15814) | ||
| 1155625 | 2010-11-25 22:57:00 | I'm afraid I beg to differ. The training of a Bomb Disposal expert and a Explosive Consultant to the Australian Army is not the same as a Volunteer Fireman. :rolleyes: I personally prefer their take on things, as do a number of others. No disrespect to Volunteer Fireman, but I’m afraid they are out of their depth here, as were a number of others. Now go and listen carefully to what this guy says and tell me where he is wrong. I’ll even post the link again for you. www.radiolive.co.nz May I point out that bomb disposal and explosive experts are not experts in in mine safety or Methane + Air. I used to work as an ammunition tech in the NZ Army. Magazines for high explosive were built in to hills and had a deliberately weak roof so that if one went off it did not take the rest with it. We used to, when checking ammo wore felt slippers over our boots at all times so as not to create sparks with heel and toe plates. |
Snorkbox (15764) | ||
| 1155626 | 2010-11-25 22:58:00 | Resorting to name calling when you dont agree with someone is pathetic. Bow to the almighty volunteer fireman coldfront and world re-known mine expert zippo. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 1155627 | 2010-11-25 23:26:00 | Resorting to name calling when you dont agree with someone is pathetic. Bow to the almighty volunteer fireman coldfront and world re-known mine expert zippo. Ha ha I have NEVER claimed to be an expert. Sorry old fella but commonsense tells me that what I believe to be true far outweighs any of your theories - period! Now let's see you twist that statement around so that it best fits your argument? |
Zippity (58) | ||
| 1155628 | 2010-11-25 23:27:00 | You missed my point being a lot of volunteer fireman happen to have experiances or are working in other fields where there knowledge is required . I will not use the term Expert here which is a term well misused when describing someones experiance in a certain matter . Many of the volunteer fireys who responded were miners . You really have twisted this around by now saying that the experianced Miners on the ground and mine rescue people were not better equiped to deal with this either . You really do miss the point that reaction time was dicated by how far away those specialists in the required fields were to the scene . Note again not using the term experts but specialists! You also have forgotten that in the mine Milton Osborne not just a local council official but the Deputy Chief Fire Officer of the Ngahere brigade one of the volunteer brigades . You also forgotten that one of the miners was also a member of the Mines Rescue Group . . . . Actually there is a lot you have forgotten about how close knit the community is in the remote parts of New Zealand and how the community works together . But no you would rather take potshots at these people with your experts who follow the lines of critisium you have shown all through this incident . Leaving all the PC stuff out of it, what did the guy on the link I provided say that was wrong? Someone tell me where he was wrong? If he wasn’t wrong, then I guess he was right . By the way, I have never suggested the whole village should have rushed in wearing Speedo’s . :rolleyes: |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1155629 | 2010-11-25 23:31:00 | May I point out that bomb disposal and explosive experts are not experts in in mine safety or Methane + Air . So what did he say that you disagree with? Just tell us where he's wrong . |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1155630 | 2010-11-25 23:34:00 | Sigh:- Jeremy, the former explosives technician with the Australian Army, has no idea if he thinks there was plenty of time to call in, brief, kit up and fly "someone" into the mine site from Christchurch or Dunedin and have them there within the 30 to 90 minutes of the explosion. He mentions this at 3m:20s into the interview. It would be interesting to know how soon after the blast, people outside the mine shaft actually knew there had been a blast, let alone organising this "Australian flight of fantasy". Copied from a comment as the audio did not work for me. Have you been to the bank yet? |
Snorkbox (15764) | ||
| 1155631 | 2010-11-25 23:47:00 | Resorting to name calling when you dont agree with someone is pathetic . Bow to the almighty volunteer fireman coldfront and world re-known mine expert zippo . Number 3 has arrived At least I do something to actually help people who need it and put myself in a position where lesser trained people would find themselves at risk of serious injury through not knowing what they face or not being able to recognise being over their head in a situation . At least I would be consulting people with knowledge and experiance rather than charging blindly in to a situation that probably would get myself killed and leave sorrow for my family . There is a big differance between saying "what If" and they "should be/have done this" Would I have gone in staright away? No, because I had no idea on what I would be heading into and I have a small thing called a brain that considers everything in the situation including the outcome . You blame OSH etc well there are times when you ignore OSH and face the consequences later but you do that with a certainty it will be worth it . Next you will be calling the survivors cowards for not going back to find out what happened to their mates . Instead of making their way to safety and alerting others . I guess if the Christchurch quake had claimed many lives you would be out with the blame carpet as well! What next I find your approach to this tragedy disgusting . |
coldfront (15814) | ||
| 1155632 | 2010-11-26 00:01:00 | Sigh:- Jeremy, the former explosives technician with the Australian Army, has no idea if he thinks there was plenty of time to call in, brief, kit up and fly "someone" into the mine site from Christchurch or Dunedin and have them there within the 30 to 90 minutes of the explosion . He mentions this at 3m:20s into the interview . It would be interesting to know how soon after the blast, people outside the mine shaft actually knew there had been a blast, let alone organising this "Australian flight of fantasy" . Copied from a comment as the audio did not work for me . Have you been to the bank yet? Day One At 3 . 30pm Friday a methane explosion threw loader driver Russell Smith 15 metres from his machine . Electrician Daniel Rockhouse, who was 1 . 7 kilometres into the mine, discovers Mr Smith . At 3 . 45pm there are first reports and both men emerge from the mine entrance at 5 . 51pm . At 6 . 11pm St John activate a national emergency response While mine rescue teams are on the scene quickly they don't enter because of fears dangerous gases could cause another blast . The first Fire Crew arrived at 510pm thats 100 minutes after the intial explosion it takes 45 minutes to drive from Greymouth to the mine . For the first equiped personell to arrive . NO ONE KNEW exactly what they were dealing with until 6pm which is 2 1/2 hours after the initial explosion . There is no such thing as a snap rescue in this country in remote location like the west coast . How far away would the nearest Army base be? Not 90 minutes as claimed by the Aussie "EXPERT" |
coldfront (15814) | ||
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