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| Thread ID: 114194 | 2010-11-22 03:18:00 | Pike River Coal Mine | Digby (677) | PC World Chat |
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| 1155613 | 2010-11-25 18:17:00 | Yes a donation would be in order. :) However, let me share with you hand wringing OSH disciples an E-Mail I received from Australia. It Reads: Is it true that Lifesavers in New Zealand aren’t allowed to enter the water if there’s any Surf? When idiots start to think that distributing this tripe to boost their personal cause then you start to realise how much these people really do not get it!!! Two Aussie journos made themselves look real idiots at a News conferance with the country cop comments, It is well known that aussies and Kiwis like a bit of leg pulling over anything but this last post from you B.M puts you in the same league as those two pillock journos from Aussie. |
coldfront (15814) | ||
| 1155614 | 2010-11-25 18:32:00 | Everyone is laying into BM, well bugger off. I agree with his sentiments and I have no problems with volunteer rescuers trying to enter the mine even if it meant certain death. People jump into rivers and the sea to rescue people and perish all the time some knowing its hopeless. The cop imo was not a good person for the job he seemed cold and looked out of his depth. He was hog tied by OSH so couldnt really shine anyway The CEO set the benchmark as a the best disaster manger ever with BP CEO at the other end of the scale. Underground coal mining is dangerous and in places like Virginia they just move the mountain out of the way to get at the coal. This eliminates the risk of explosion, rockfall and flooding. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 1155615 | 2010-11-25 18:42:00 | When idiots start to think that distributing this tripe to boost their personal cause then you start to realise how much these people really do not get it!!! Two Aussie journos made themselves look real idiots at a News conferance with the country cop comments, It is well known that aussies and Kiwis like a bit of leg pulling over anything but this last post from you B . M puts you in the same league as those two pillock journos from Aussie . Yes I know I’m arguing with a Volunteer Fireman but the simple matter is my opinion is aligned with some rather more qualified Experts who don’t share your views . Simple as that really . Now carefully listen to this guy? Two or three times if necessary . . radiolive . co . nz/Jeremy-former-explosives-technician-with-the-Australian-Army-talks-Pike-River/tabid/506/articleID/17513/Default . aspx" target="_blank">www . radiolive . co . nz |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1155616 | 2010-11-25 21:13:00 | As one of those who proposed that rescuers should have gone in much earlier, I still think that if they had gone in on the second or third day, they might have come back with some information, was their a huge fall and blockage, or were all the miners alive or dead. And we never suggested sending in 20 guys. I also tend to think that after 5 days of gas building up (with no ventilation working) and then all of a sudden opening up a new source of oxygen this may have caused the second explosion. |
Digby (677) | ||
| 1155617 | 2010-11-25 21:29:00 | Yes I know I’m arguing with a Volunteer Fireman but the simple matter is my opinion is aligned with some rather more qualified Experts who don’t share your views . Simple as that really . Now carefully listen to this guy? Two or three times if necessary . . radiolive . co . nz/Jeremy-former-explosives-technician-with-the-Australian-Army-talks-Pike-River/tabid/506/articleID/17513/Default . aspx" target="_blank">www . radiolive . co . nz Careful with that statement . Just because someone is undertaking a roll in a voluntary manner does not mean they do not exercise the same level of profesionalism and expertise towards the job as someone in a paid roll . The level of training is no differant . There are over 18,000 men and women in New Zealand who give up there time at the sound of that siren or pager and do what ever is required to safely assist those in distress . Thats in addition to the many thousands who donate time to other recuse organistations that take a certain amount of controlled risk every day . Were those "Experts" at the scene? NO the people on the ground made the decisions as it should always be using the resources available to them . If you want to wait for a more qualified paid expert then you will be risking more lives than you can ever save in New Zealand no matter where they are simply because of the remote locations . The fact you and several others on this topic have shown such short sighted ignorance demonstrates you have no understanding and proudly grandstand beside those who seek a bit of notability on a topic looking for a angle or bite that is incorrect or not there . So many "experts" come out of the woodwork , the term becomes overused and confuses the correct information needed . |
coldfront (15814) | ||
| 1155618 | 2010-11-25 21:38:00 | As one of those who proposed that rescuers should have gone in much earlier, I still think that if they had gone in on the second or third day, they might have come back with some information, was their a huge fall and blockage, or were all the miners alive or dead. And we never suggested sending in 20 guys. I also tend to think that after 5 days of gas building up (with no ventilation working) and then all of a sudden opening up a new source of oxygen this may have caused the second explosion. Let me ask you Digby! Would you walk into a dark room full of gas and flick a light switch on to see more clearly? Somehow I dont think you would when you know the risk. |
coldfront (15814) | ||
| 1155619 | 2010-11-25 22:08:00 | Careful with that statement. Just because someone is undertaking a roll in a voluntary manner does not mean they do not exercise the same level of profesionalism and expertise towards the job as someone in a paid roll. The level of training is no differant. I'm afraid I beg to differ. The training of a Bomb Disposal expert and a Explosive Consultant to the Australian Army is not the same as a Volunteer Fireman. :rolleyes: I personally prefer their take on things, as do a number of others. No disrespect to Volunteer Fireman, but I’m afraid they are out of their depth here, as were a number of others. Now go and listen carefully to what this guy says and tell me where he is wrong. I’ll even post the link again for you. www.radiolive.co.nz |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1155620 | 2010-11-25 22:14:00 | I have to throw my lot in with BM on this one. | DeSade (984) | ||
| 1155621 | 2010-11-25 22:28:00 | Everyone is laying into BM, well bugger off. I agree with his sentiments and I have no problems with volunteer rescuers trying to enter the mine even if it meant certain death. People jump into rivers and the sea to rescue people and perish all the time some knowing its hopeless. The cop imo was not a good person for the job he seemed cold and looked out of his depth. He was hog tied by OSH so couldnt really shine anyway The CEO set the benchmark as a the best disaster manger ever with BP CEO at the other end of the scale. Underground coal mining is dangerous and in places like Virginia they just move the mountain out of the way to get at the coal. This eliminates the risk of explosion, rockfall and flooding. Well that makes two confirmed idiots on this blog :) |
Zippity (58) | ||
| 1155622 | 2010-11-25 22:49:00 | You can take it whatever way you like; but there is a wise phrase that goes along these lines: Never argue with an idiot, onlookers can't tell the difference. (Mark Twain) |
Marnie (4574) | ||
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