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| Thread ID: 114142 | 2010-11-19 16:57:00 | NZ Mine Explosion | SurferJoe46 (51) | PC World Chat |
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| 1154646 | 2010-11-20 05:40:00 | Let's just concentrate on facts, if the gases preclude the safe deployment of the rescuers, then that is a decision for the Search and Rescue coordinator...not Digby or anyone else. Losing more men is not the outcome anyone wants. Calling them guys is no more disrespectful than any other way of referring to them in my opinion. |
KarameaDave (15222) | ||
| 1154647 | 2010-11-20 05:58:00 | Nothing like having a West Coast Cop in charge, whose speciality is probably trying to get the pub's to shut at 10pm. :rolleyes: Ch..st, having to fly air samples to a laboratory by Helicopter for testing beats me. Never mind, OSH will require special coloured Fluro Vests before the rescue can commence, then I guess there in Resource Consent to be heard, complete with objections. Poor buggers have no chance, if indeed they ever did. :mad: I’m afraid we in NZ are World Champs when it comes to Procrastination! :blush: |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1154648 | 2010-11-20 06:07:00 | Nothing like having a West Coast Cop in charge, whose speciality is probably trying to get the pub's to shut at 10pm. :rolleyes: Ch..st, having to fly air samples to a laboratory by Helicopter for testing beats me. Never mind, OSH will require special coloured Fluro Vests before the rescue can commence, then I guess there in Resource Consent to be heard, complete with objections. Poor buggers have no chance, if indeed they ever did. :mad: I’m afraid we in NZ are World Champs when it comes to Procrastination! :blush: First rule of emergency rescue from a confined space, do not send anymore into die. Therefore the first order of business to find out whats in that tunnel, Granted everyone is an internet expert, and internet experts can ignore what real world actions have shown us over and over and over again. What the worst that could happen?...well, sending in the rescue party to die would be the worst,And then the internet experts would be frothing at the mouth. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 1154649 | 2010-11-20 06:15:00 | I wonder if they even have any canaries? Air samples? Lab tests? Nuts! Every US sailor was issued a device to test for explosive verses non-explosive gases every day in the ship. ( MSA 2A Explosimeter Combustible Gas Indicator ) Surely there's a US Military Army/Navy Surplus Store where they can get one to see if it's safe to enter or not? I think I brought mine home from the last ship I was on. I can send it to youse guys and I'm sure it'll beat the lab test back to the mine so the rescue can begin. |
SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 1154650 | 2010-11-20 06:23:00 | Most recent news reports that the system supplying air to the mine is not developing the same pressure compared to before the blast - suggesting that the air supply has been broken at some point, with the air now escaping - possibly without any of it getting to the other side of the collapsed area (assuming there is a collapsed area) Another photo claimed to show another air supply vent with its cover blown off. The two guys who got out via a vent are alleged to have said three others were making their way topside... since they haven't shown up it leaves you wondering about the air. Speculation: They reckon an electricity fault may have compromised the air supply system PRIOR to the blast (probably explains why the blast happened... build up of gases thanks to reduced ventilation) Just gotta hope there's no fire being fed by whatever ventilation remains. I've hear no report of smoke. It seems the electrician sent down to investigate the fault arrived AFTER the blast, and it was the electrician that raised the alert - so the original blast went either undetected, or unreported by those on the surface. |
Paul.Cov (425) | ||
| 1154651 | 2010-11-20 06:25:00 | Maybe it's just dark inside. | SurferJoe46 (51) | ||
| 1154652 | 2010-11-20 06:35:00 | First rule of emergency rescue from a confined space, do not send anymore into die. Therefore the first order of business to find out whats in that tunnel, Granted everyone is an internet expert, and internet experts can ignore what real world actions have shown us over and over and over again. What the worst that could happen?...well, sending in the rescue party to die would be the worst,And then the internet experts would be frothing at the mouth. The guys that know the real risks, are the Miners in the Rescue Teams. ;) No amount of academic BS will replace their knowledge. They know the risks and if they want to go, all power to them. As I understand it, they aren’t conscripted, they volunteered for the job and are fully trained. Sitting around whilst some lily livered paper shuffler make a decision is not an option in my book. This PC bullsh-t of “Safety is Paramount” is just a cop-out for those non-decision makers. In the morning when it’s necessary to pop down the road and get some milk I’m going to say, ohhhhh no, “Safety is Paramount” and go back to bed. :rolleyes: Yeah right. :rolleyes: |
B.M. (505) | ||
| 1154653 | 2010-11-20 06:37:00 | B.M. - you are talking (passing wind) out of the wrong orifice :( | Zippity (58) | ||
| 1154654 | 2010-11-20 06:40:00 | The guys that know the real risks, are the Miners in the Rescue Teams. ;) No amount of academic BS will replace their knowledge. They know the risks and if they want to go, all power to them. As I understand it, they aren’t conscripted, they volunteered for the job and are fully trained. Sitting around whilst some lily livered paper shuffler make a decision is not an option in my book. This PC bullsh-t of “Safety is Paramount” is just a cop-out for those non-decision makers. In the morning when it’s necessary to pop down the road and get some milk I’m going to say, ohhhhh no, “Safety is Paramount” and go back to bed. :rolleyes: Yeah right. :rolleyes: Since you know so much, whose the lily livered paper shuffler making the decision, and what's his background? Whats the bet his experience and capabilities are extensive, and yours are non-existent. You do yourself no favour spurting ignorant twaddle, But hey, that's the beauty of the internet. Make no mistake the entire procedure will be reviewed after the event, and while its a given that in such a situation mistakes will be made, alas, they won't be calling on the likes of you to put in your 3 cents. I suppose its easier to condemn those trying to save lives then it is for those people to condemn the lives of others. The real world has real world consequences, Unlike the internet and the keyboard hero. |
Metla (12) | ||
| 1154655 | 2010-11-20 06:41:00 | First rule of emergency rescue from a confined space, do not send anymore into die. Therefore the first order of business to find out whats in that tunnel, Granted everyone is an internet expert, and internet experts can ignore what real world actions have shown us over and over and over again. What the worst that could happen?...well, sending in the rescue party to die would be the worst,And then the internet experts would be frothing at the mouth. Thanks for that, I've just asked about this on KB. I can understand the risks of methane gas but mining has come a long way in the past 50 years and is far safer than it used to be. Wouldn't there be specialised rescue equipment nearby enabling people in breathing gear to quickly enter? Apparently this is a straightish tunnel, not a deep shaft, plus there is a ventilation/escape shaft to the top of the hill. Its the top of that shaft which is shown in photos, with blackened equipment from the explosion. I'm finding this very distressing to think about. Just hope these men are safe. |
Winston001 (3612) | ||
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