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Thread ID: 114128	2010-11-18 21:16:00	Idiots on two wheels	Zippity (58)	PC World Chat

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1154445	2010-11-19 00:25:00	I assume the cyclist you mention is shown at the 60 second mark in that same video. If so, if he tried to use the 'cycle lane', at the speed he was riding on the road, the pedestrians and runners that use it would probably push him off into the road. Bikes easily travel at speeds in excess of 20km/h - far too fast for a shared-with-bipeds pathway (especially one as narrow as on the waterfront). That cyclist could easily have been doing 50kph. I can't match that speed but in Wgtn if I'm in a 30 zone I just follow other cars without sticking to the left inviting someone to squeeze alongside.	PaulD (232)
1154446	2010-11-19 00:50:00	Sorry johcar, but I'm pretty sure no one will ever be on your side here mate.	roddy_boy (4115)
1154447	2010-11-19 01:07:00	That's OK - I have broad shoulders . I don't particular care what people think . But since this is a forum, it's good to get both (all) sides in plain view . Then people can make up their minds to keep their prejudices and generalisations and bigotry . But at least they will have had an opportunity to see some alternative points of view .	johcar (6283)
1154448	2010-11-19 01:13:00	This morning at approximately 7.40am whilst I was driving down Ngauranga Gorge, I was overtaken by a mad cyclist who was travelling at least twice the speed of the surrounding motor vehicles - trucks, cars, trailer units etc :( The idiot was riding BETWEEN both lanes of traffic. No wonder cyclists are being bowled over like nine pins - and they wonder why they are being killed :( So what does this have to do with innocent cyclists being hit head-on by car on the wrong side of the road and being hit while avoiding a car door being opened? Rather silly generalisation which I would expect to come from a redneck sort of attitude.	user (1404)
1154449	2010-11-19 01:35:00	But there is NO need to spend millions creating a new raised cycle path, thats overkill. Just paint yellow lines, no parked cars = no car doors.	DeSade (984)
1154450	2010-11-19 01:39:00	Sol, I assume you're talking about the 'shared cycle path' that is marked on what is actually the original footpath that runs along the top of the sea wall from Mechanics Bay to Mission Bay and then from the other side of Mission Bay to St Heliers. I just watched the video in Trev's link - did you notice the motorcyclist overtaking on the left about 40 seconds in? And another one at the 2:31 mark? Idiots are not limited to bicycles. I assume the cyclist you mention is shown at the 60 second mark in that same video. If so, if he tried to use the 'cycle lane', at the speed he was riding on the road, the pedestrians and runners that use it would probably push him off into the road. Bikes easily travel at speeds in excess of 20km/h - far too fast for a shared-with-bipeds pathway (especially one as narrow as on the waterfront). The cyclist was "wide" because he was overtaking a parked car. Cyclists are allowed, and in fact encouraged by the new road rules, to pass parked vehicles by the average length of an open car door: 1.5 metres. As you are aware, this is the exact same spot that the English girl was killed a few days ago - by trying to avoid an opening car door. Better he ride in safety on the shared lane than get killed on the road, there is just no room for them, do you expect all the cars to SLOW down to 20k during rush hour?, good grief man! I hardly think pedestrians are going to push him off and would probably get one of the way.... Not that I care, if the cycle wants to risk his life, all power to him! Booldy sure I know where I would be cycling and it wouldnt be on the road! Oh and where you state cyclists are encouraged to sweep out 1.5 metres passing a car, what can they not check that a vehicle traveling twice as fast is also about to pass the parked car? It rubbish, there is NO room IMO on the same road for vehicle traveling at such disparate speeds, without a separate lane period...	SolMiester (139)
1154451	2010-11-19 01:49:00	So what does this have to do with innocent cyclists being hit head-on by car on the wrong side of the road and being hit while avoiding a car door being opened? Rather silly generalisation which I would expect to come from a redneck sort of attitude. So much for Jen's warning about name calling. It is attitudes like yours that are so stupid. I was not making a generalization. I was stating a fact. I am sick and tired of the cycling "bleaters" bitchin' about the attitudes of motorists. Maybe it is time that they (and you) took an inwards look at their own behavior. When you can differentiate between attitude and fact, we might make some progress :(	Zippity (58)
1154452	2010-11-19 02:19:00	Perhaps if you read my post carefully, you would see that I was calling your attitude 'redneck', not you as a person. You can easily change your attitude but not so easily your character.	user (1404)
1154453	2010-11-19 02:20:00	Its time that all cyclists be licenced, required to pass the same road tests as motorists and be required to pay their share of the road upkeep thought licencing fees and ACC levies. Not a day goes past where I do not see a cyclist run a red light when nothing is coming, weaving through traffic to get to the front of the lines and other dangerous practises. I only have on thing to say to idiots on bikes that get in my way doing stupid ****, welcome to your new life as my hood ornament	DeSade (984)
1154454	2010-11-19 02:22:00	Its time that all cyclists be licenced, required to pass the same road tests as motorists and be required to pay their share of the road upkeep thought licencing fees and ACC levies. Not a day goes past where I do not see a cyclist run a red light when nothing is coming, weaving through traffic to get to the front of the lines and other dangerous practises. I only have on thing to say to idiots on bikes that get in my way doing stupid ****, welcome to your new life as my hood ornament Troll.	user (1404)
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