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| Thread ID: 114194 | 2010-11-22 03:18:00 | Pike River Coal Mine | Digby (677) | PC World Chat |
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| 1155523 | 2010-11-23 23:50:00 | This thread has long passed being of of any value - apart from providing a bleating arena for the weird idiots who will always post their krap. Jen, someone, please close it!! Well if you don't like it you know that you don't have to view it so please leave this thread alone. How any dumb reporter could even make any comparison with 9/11 shows how low their IQ is. |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 1155524 | 2010-11-23 23:56:00 | Come on DH - be realistic. With temperatures of over 1200 C do you honestly think that you could survive? Don't let your raw emotions control your thinking process. |
Zippity (58) | ||
| 1155525 | 2010-11-23 23:59:00 | They will have to re-write the miners manual. Instead of saying "Get to a safe place and wait for rescue." It will now read, "Do everything you can to get out, including using you bare hands as no one will come for you. If you come across a loader in your path do not drive it too fast as police caveface cameras will be watching you. Rescuers will be waiting in their office and will have a nice hot cup of tea ready for you." |
Digby (677) | ||
| 1155526 | 2010-11-24 00:01:00 | Come on DH - be realistic. With temperatures of over 1200 C do you honestly think that you could survive? Don't let your raw emotions control your thinking process. I'm not suggesting that the would-be rescuers are dropped into the 1200 C temperature areas immediately. What I can't understand is why can't people (in a group of 2-3 at a time) begin attempting to walk into the mine. Carry BA, methane detectors, the lot. As soon as they get to a point of: - Too hot - Too much gas - Cave in - Anything that looks slightly suspicious - Oxygen they are carrying gets to 50% then they can back out. Repeat that process several times until they have 100% determined that either: - Huge raging fire ahead, no chance of ever getting in - Huge cave in, needs re-drilling - Too much gas for humans to continue entering - Survivors found |
Bozo (8540) | ||
| 1155527 | 2010-11-24 00:09:00 | B.M. Please remember that Mr Plod as you disrespectfully call him is not making decisions alone. Plod is the man fronting it.. |
paulw (1826) | ||
| 1155528 | 2010-11-24 00:09:00 | Don't let your raw emotions control your thinking process. You have told us that untold times so please leave this thread alone.:groan: |
mikebartnz (21) | ||
| 1155529 | 2010-11-24 00:28:00 | How do they know it was 1200 deg centigrade ? I suppose the experts had a thermometer feeding directly into their office. Anyway, obviously it is very hot in the middle of an explosion. But further away it is not. And if you look at the map Wainuitech posted on here there is quite a labryrinth of tunnels in the working area, so any miners around the corners may have survived. |
Digby (677) | ||
| 1155530 | 2010-11-24 00:45:00 | Digby:- They know, having experimented, that a Methane + Air explosion = 1200. Try this if you can. Get a can with a push on lid. Fill with coal gas after punching a hole in the lid and the bottom. Stand same on a tripod and apply a lit match to the hole in the top. The gas will ignite and burn and suck air through the bottom of the can. When the gas/air mixture gets to the right proportion it will explode. Alternatively try the same with a 44 gal drum where the lid does not come off and stand really close so you can see the flame getting smaller. :-) |
Snorkbox (15764) | ||
| 1155531 | 2010-11-24 00:53:00 | The blast that occurred on Friday reached temperatures of 1200 degrees and lasted in excess of 50 seconds. There were no warnings, even with all the detection methods they had in place. This morning, the drill broke through into the mine and hot air and gas rushed out, meaning there is a trapped reservoir of gas, and an ongoing heat source. I think it's safe to surmise that it's virtually impossible that anyone survived the initial blast. Any miners that may have survived that were trapped deep in the mine probably wouldn't have lasted very long due to the lack of oxygen and the high levels of gas. Just hearsay, but I believe there are mines across the world that have had such an explosion occur, and no one has ever entered the mine again. There is just too much gas and heat to make it safe for anyone to venture very far down the shaft. DemonHunter's idea sounds reasonable on the surface, but once you get into the depths of the mine you have no idea what's going to be there. :2cents: I am not a miner, nor do I have any experience in the mining industry, so this information is all from what I have gathered from media reports. |
roddy_boy (4115) | ||
| 1155532 | 2010-11-24 01:02:00 | I'm not suggesting that the would-be rescuers are dropped into the 1200 C temperature areas immediately. What I can't understand is why can't people (in a group of 2-3 at a time) begin attempting to walk into the mine. Carry BA, methane detectors, the lot. As soon as they get to a point of: - Too hot - Too much gas - Cave in - Anything that looks slightly suspicious - Oxygen they are carrying gets to 50% then they can back out. Repeat that process several times until they have 100% determined that either: - Huge raging fire ahead, no chance of ever getting in - Huge cave in, needs re-drilling - Too much gas for humans to continue entering - Survivors found Uh....they know the cave if full of dangerous levels of methane, why would they ask people to walk in? Just to satisfy those that insist of placing more people in as much danger as possible? |
Metla (12) | ||
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