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| Thread ID: 114567 | 2010-12-08 08:42:00 | Whats your guys take on this ? | mOOseCaNNoN (13319) | PC World Chat |
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| 1159890 | 2010-12-08 08:42:00 | Here's a Coastal Coalition newspaper explaining Nationals Marine and Coastal Area Bill. I know this is bias but they have a lot of good points to think about: www.nzcpr.com here is the actual bill www.legislation.govt.nz I have a weird feeling about this bill, just like the search and surveillance act, it just doesn't make much sense. What's your guys opinion? |
mOOseCaNNoN (13319) | ||
| 1159891 | 2010-12-08 10:30:00 | 1. Probably time NZ has a written Constitution. 2. Abolish Maori Seats. 3. Laws that are drafted in Parliament need to say what they actually mean rather than relying on Courts and lawyers to interpret what they think Parliament meant when passing Act, Bills, Regulations, Amendments and etc. 4. Settle all outstanding claims as FULL and FINAL. 5. Consider becoming a Republic so the Treaty of Waitangi ( as it was signed ) becomes null and void and no longer open to various interpretions much like the laws drafted today are. 6. The Maori are a tribal culture and as such I note that many claim affiliation with several Iwi, Hapu, Whanua and etc which allows people to wear several hats in discussions. Many claim to speak on behalf of one group or another and in fact some can't really claim that with any truth or they may be mistaken rather than outright lies. 7. Maori land etc seems an issue within Maori in so far as it can't really be sold without the agreement of all co-owners and as the many owners can't agree the land is often left lying fallow and not productive. The land is often leased to a person or persons who will work on it though. Rates on land owned by Maori are often not paid as just who do you send the rate demand to? 8. It also has to be said that many Maori see nothing from these settlements either and many are not activists and many are tired of the grievance industry as are other NZ Citizens. I could go on but I guess it won't change much. I might add that I am a fifth generation Kiwi for the record. |
Snorkbox (15764) | ||
| 1159892 | 2010-12-08 10:43:00 | Abolish ACT as well they're a bunch of ****stirrers. The only reason they're there is to whinge (like most pakehas). If you watch parliament, you'll know what I mean. Thats exactly what they may do, change the constitution. I spose you're right with Maori land. Since its Maori land, they dont usually sell it (if whoever owns it dies, it goes to their family / son/s / mokopuna (but not the wives) |
Speedy Gonzales (78) | ||
| 1159893 | 2010-12-08 13:38:00 | Abolish ACT as well they're a bunch of ****stirrers. The only reason they're there is to whinge (like most pakehas). If you watch parliament, you'll know what I mean. Thats exactly what they may do, change the constitution. I spose you're right with Maori land. Since its Maori land, they dont usually sell it (if whoever owns it dies, it goes to their family / son/s / mokopuna (but not the wives) In a democracy you cant just abolish a political party lol. Saying pakehas which is an offensive term are whingers is racist The reason maoris dont sell their land is because with multiple ownership they cant really sell it even if they wanted to. |
prefect (6291) | ||
| 1159894 | 2010-12-08 19:30:00 | Well true there are multiple owners with Maori land. And most is inherited, and most of it is forest. So, why would they want to sell it. It gives them money. | Speedy Gonzales (78) | ||
| 1159895 | 2010-12-08 19:38:00 | Well true there are multiple owners with Maori land. And most is inherited, and most of it is forest. So, why would they want to sell it. It gives them money. Quite right Speedy, they woululdn't want to get of their arse and work. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 1159896 | 2010-12-08 19:44:00 | Well if you want to think that way. But most of them are probably retired by now. So, wouldn't be working. Not all of them are dole bludgers. And you probably wouldnt get a payout every mth. It'd be more like yearly. Or wherever they cut down the trees | Speedy Gonzales (78) | ||
| 1159897 | 2010-12-08 19:55:00 | Well if you want to think that way. But most of them are probably retired by now. So, wouldn't be working. Not all of them are dole bludgers. And you probably wouldnt get a payout every mth. It'd be more like yearly. Or wherever they cut down the trees I was thinking more of the maori whingers. You will agree they are out there, just wanting and more wanting. |
Cicero (40) | ||
| 1159898 | 2010-12-08 20:03:00 | I was thinking more of the maori whingers. If you want to know the meaning of "whingers" all you have to do is watch parliament :rolleyes: You will agree they are out there, just wanting and more wanting. I wouldnt call that whinging. |
Speedy Gonzales (78) | ||
| 1159899 | 2010-12-08 20:28:00 | If I was able to make a land claim based on what belonged to my ancestors claim I would be the owner of a very large portion of the British Isles stolen of my ancestors by Oliver Cromwell. Then again I might find some one else who can claim title over that same land that my ancestors stole/sold from them and so on an so on. The issue is the continued double dip standard of Maori over this issue milking it at every opportunity and the two faced govermental approach that keeps letting them do so. |
coldfront (15814) | ||
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