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Thread ID: 114666	2010-12-12 19:35:00	Should the Police be armed	Digby (677)	PC World Chat

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1161118	2010-12-13 18:23:00	Cicero, it's way past your bedtime. Go to bed! www.youtube.com	Cicero (40)
1161119	2010-12-13 18:58:00	Actually, getting the crims working on roadside chain gangs would probably do a lot to send the right message to their peers and kids on the outside. Suddenly they'd start looking for choices in life that wouldn't lead to their legs being in irons. We go too far to protect the rights of the crims, who in turn show no respect for the rights of others. So subject them to hard work and public humiliation. Even if it doesn't fix those subjected to it, it will have an effect on the potential crims of the future. x2 My father said that in England in the 1950's if you used a weapon whilst committing a crime it was automatic hard labour. So the crims NEVER took weapons with them.	Digby (677)
1161120	2010-12-13 21:29:00	I personally like the attitude and programs of the Arizona Correctional System under Chief Arparo in the treatment of criminals and prisoners . They get all-pink clothes even down to their underwear and socks . They live in tents in a dirt field that is a prisoner compound . Surrounded by mounted and heavily armed deputies they are also in three courses of electrified and concertina razor wire fences, and then they only have a few miles of solid desert to cross to freedom ------- if they get that far . They don't get air conditioning - and in Southern Arizona, that can be very harsh . They don't get TV except on the weekends where they have to view it in a theater-like area en-mass . They wash and hang their own laundry, are in leg irons for the hardened ones and there is just a general population area where no-one gets special attention unless it's in a prison hospital for the duration of their illness . They are daily body searched for cellphones or contraband and getting caught with something forbidden adds a longer stay in the campground . Arparo also has cellphone jamming frequencies all around the facility to keep any business deals and communication with the outside world to zero . They are held incognito unless they have actual legal relatives visiting on weekend and NO consortium for any prisoner . Meals (yes - MEALS) are sandwiches and fruit juice served in brown paper bags with no silverware or straws, and all the water they want . Haircuts are mandatory and no beards or mustaches are allowed . Solitary confinement is less frills-oriented . As far as weekdays, they are all 'invited' to road gangs where they get to wear leg irons and bright pink clothing on the highways and streets with armed and horseback riding deputies who are instructed to shoot to kill for any attempted escape . Those who chose to not accept the invitation for outside recreation on the highways, get to stay in the grounds washing and servicing the vehicles and performing hard labor tasks in the surrounding desert by picking up refuse and trash and generally keeping the hiking trails, public campgrounds and parks clean and debris-free for the honest citizens . As far as I know there are no prisoner trustees . Oh - unlike most other states Arizona prisoners don't receive a daily wage for their work nor do they earn 'good-time' credits toward early release . What happens is that they serve all but one day of their sentence, so they always are a prisoner with a current-running incarceration and can always be returned to finish that last day right back in Camp Snoopy, as it's affectionately called .	SurferJoe46 (51)
1161121	2010-12-13 23:34:00	As much as the concept of the Camp Snoopy system resonates with me, wouldn't there eventually be a fall off in criminality in Arizona (and hence the numbers of pink-wearing criminals) if the system was actually working as a deterrent? Are there statistics to support that fewer criminal offences are being committed in Arizona?	johcar (6283)
1161122	2010-12-14 00:24:00	As much as the concept of the Camp Snoopy system resonates with me, wouldn't there eventually be a fall off in criminality in Arizona (and hence the numbers of pink-wearing criminals) if the system was actually working as a deterrent? Are there statistics to support that fewer criminal offences are being committed in Arizona? Good questions Johcar . SurferJoe, do you have any input on this? I'd be interested in hearing if these strategies worked or not . I recall reading something about the program a few years ago, where Chief Arparo was really making the crims come into line . But nothing much since .	WalOne (4202)
1161123	2010-12-14 01:19:00	It does have to be said that it would be difficult to come up with figures that relate to the whole of Arizona crimewise based on one guy in one County.	Snorkbox (15764)
1161124	2010-12-14 01:24:00	True - so are there figures indicating that his county crime stats are dropping?	johcar (6283)
1161125	2010-12-14 01:32:00	True - so are there figures indicating that his county crime stats are dropping? Nope. A quick Google shows the reverse! washingtonindependent.com	Snorkbox (15764)
1161126	2010-12-14 01:38:00	Hmmm. But is it a case of "lies, damn lies and statistics"? How are the "pro-reform" people measuring "rates of violent crime"? What constitutes a "violent crime" in this context? Could it be that residents of his county are reporting more crime than they normally might have, on the basis that they fully support the type of punishment meted out to these crims? We could easily make lots of assumptions that might be entirely wrong...	johcar (6283)
1161127	2010-12-14 01:43:00	In the context above it possibly really relates to crime committed by border hoppers from Mexico as they try to push another Bill through the Senate. I am a pretty cynical sort of Guy by nature and I am disinclined to make any assumption based on statistics.	Snorkbox (15764)
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