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Thread ID: 114666 2010-12-12 19:35:00 Should the Police be armed Digby (677) PC World Chat
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1161148 2010-12-15 18:19:00 Well, if a tougher sentence in a sh!t-hole prison doesn't deter this sort of behaviour, then I'll revert to my earlier wish that we apply the death sentence to the perpetrators of crimes like this - then there's zero repeat offending.

These scum bags do not deserve to live, and certainly should not be breeding the next generation of scum to drag the country down further into the poo.
Paul.Cov (425)
1161149 2010-12-15 18:20:00 The year I left NZ there was 161 culpable homocides, for a population of 4 million.
The same year Australia had 230 for a population of 21 million.
Can anyone draw any conclusions from these figures.

Match your stats and raise you

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I conclude that New Zealand is one of the safest places.
Twelvevolts (5457)
1161150 2010-12-15 20:07:00 Match your stats and raise you

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I conclude that New Zealand is one of the safest places.

Can you give more recent stats? I note that the ones you link to are 10 years ago.
martynz (5445)
1161151 2010-12-15 20:41:00 The year I left NZ there was 161 culpable homocides, for a population of 4 million.
The same year Australia had 230 for a population of 21 million.
Can anyone draw any conclusions from these figures.

The NZ rate doesn't seem to be that bad now. How did you get away with it?
PaulD (232)
1161152 2010-12-15 20:42:00 Match your stats and raise you

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I conclude that New Zealand is one of the safest places.

So acording to you and your outdated information NZ is safe and therefore there is no need to try and make it safer then.

Try telling that to the victims!!!
Snorkbox (15764)
1161153 2010-12-15 22:54:00 Safer, like hell 161 in 4 million as opposed to 230 in 21 million, for parity Australia would need to break 800. This is cupable homocides, which includes criminal manslaughter, by other than negligence - such as a fatal motor accident accident while under the influence.

We know the reason, gang violence, and soft penalties. Life should mean life - however it is preferable to top them, as long as one doesn't allow endless expensive appeals, like in the USA, before carrying out sentence. There should be but one appeal, put all your cards down at one time - lose and the sentence is carried out.
KenESmith (6287)
1161154 2010-12-15 23:02:00 www.nationmaster.com

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Your statics right back at ya bro. What do you have to say about that Mr Prosecutor?
Cato (6936)
1161155 2010-12-15 23:12:00 Ha! I nearly missed this one: www.nationmaster.com


Rank Countries Amount
# 1 Dominica: 113.822 per 1,000 people
# 2 New Zealand: 105.881 per 1,000 people
# 3 Finland: 101.526 per 1,000 people
# 4 Denmark: 92.8277 per 1,000 people
# 5 Chile: 88.226 per 1,000 people


Oh how safe we are....
Cato (6936)
1161156 2010-12-15 23:41:00 Ha! I nearly missed this one: www.nationmaster.com


Rank Countries Amount
# 1 Dominica: 113.822 per 1,000 people
# 2 New Zealand: 105.881 per 1,000 people
# 3 Finland: 101.526 per 1,000 people
# 4 Denmark: 92.8277 per 1,000 people
# 5 Chile: 88.226 per 1,000 people


Oh how safe we are....

Interesting stats, Cato.

One comment on that page is,


DEFINITION: Note: Crime statistics are often better indicators of prevalence of law enforcement and willingness to report crime, than actual prevalence

Make sure you guys read that part - there's a reason that the lower you get on the list, the shittier the country gets (yet the crime rate apparently improves per capita). It has to do with reporting.

I agree with that, and with the observation that insulting someone in Denmark is a crime, yet raping someone in Yemen is not.

And I note too, that Australia doesn't figure at all in these stats. Is it that our neighbour is off the scale at either end (i.e. having achieved virtual sainthood on one hand or is the new Great Satan on the other)?

Stats are what you make of them. :devil
WalOne (4202)
1161157 2010-12-16 01:31:00 And I note too, that Australia doesn't figure at all in these stats. Is it that our neighbour is off the scale at either end (i.e. having achieved virtual sainthood on one hand or is the new Great Satan on the other)?

Stats are what you make of them. :devil

Those stats seem to be based on The Eighth United Nations Survey on Crime and the Australians don't seem to have bothered responding to that one. The UN is up to the 10th survey.
PaulD (232)
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