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Thread ID: 114816	2010-12-18 18:43:00	WINZ and $15 an Hour	pctek (84)	PC World Chat

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1163083	2010-12-20 00:17:00	And there will be more jobs when you double or triple the population??????????? Yes there will. They will probably need cars fixing, pc's fixing, electricians, plumbers, hairdressers, teachers for their kids etc etc. They may also go to a play, or buy a NZ artists song, or buy some NZ art. or they may invent a new product or service and employ some people.	Digby (677)
1163084	2010-12-20 00:28:00	Yes there will. They will probably need cars fixing, pc's fixing, electricians, plumbers, hairdressers, teachers for their kids etc etc. . Nope. Doesn't work now.	pctek (84)
1163085	2010-12-20 01:12:00	Yes I think it means that the dole for a married person or one with children it too high. +1 Something is very wrong when some unemployed get paid more than many with real jobs !!! Casual labor should not be optional for those on the dole. Even if the difference has to be made up by welfare. It gets them out of the house at least & may force them to get a bit motivated: have to get up at 6am like the rest of us.	1101 (13337)
1163086	2010-12-20 02:21:00	I read that in the UK that are talking about getting EVERY person on the dole to turn up each day to the dole office and do some voluntary work. The theory is that if they have to do that 1) they will look for a real job 2) if they are ripping the system off and doing casual jobs under the table they will go off the dole. 3) it will give others a work ethic (getting up each day) and a sense of worth.	Digby (677)
1163087	2010-12-20 06:45:00	Unlike Digby I feel we need to increase the minimum wage. Otherwise we will never catch up with Australia. Employers in this country are the ones on the pigs' back, not beneficiaries. Welcome to the real world, boys!	KarameaDave (15222)
1163088	2010-12-20 07:16:00	Employers in this country are the ones on the pigs' back, not beneficiaries. Welcome to the real world, boys! Pffft, go start a business and learn a few lessons, They are burdened with the beneficiary curse just like the rest of the tax paying population.	Metla (12)
1163089	2010-12-20 08:07:00	Pffft, go start a business and learn a few lessons, They are burdened with the beneficiary curse just like the rest of the tax paying population. Pffft, right back at you, mate. I have had several successful businesses, how 'bout you?	KarameaDave (15222)
1163090	2010-12-20 09:01:00	Pffft, right back at you, mate. I have had several successful businesses, how 'bout you? LMFAO. Touche.	Metla (12)
1163091	2010-12-20 09:11:00	Unlike Digby I feel we need to increase the minimum wage . Otherwise we will never catch up with Australia . Employers in this country are the ones on the pigs' back, not beneficiaries . Welcome to the real world, boys! Got a few examples of that where I know for a fact employers in my locale back in 1996 paid 50% more than minimum wage with a travel allowance perk! These same big employers are now paying minimum wage and complaining they can not retain staff and use it as an excuse to exploit the open holiday work visa schemes which were set up about the same time wages started to close up the minimum wage gap . Start putting restrictions back on those backpacker working holiday schemes, you know when somehing is not right when 700 seasonal jobs are taken up by 500 temporary residents who do not pay tax because they can claim it all back . As for the Voluntary line of Digbys, Haha define voluntary? Skilled or Unskilled roles? I know from experiance that being in a skilled Voluntary roll as far as WINZ is concerned does not count as making an effort . More than once during a time of unemployment I had to arse kiss to retain payments of benefit because I missed an appointment with our case manager because I was on a call out or on a training course . Catch 22 people expect that service to come little realising it is manned by volunteers who give up work, free time or are unemployed and get no reward for doing so . Its hard to get volunteers to do what they do yet many of the unemployed are probably the best suited to the roll . Yet the sytem snubs that effort made . Last week I put in 15 hours of free service, this week none so far lucky me they were days I did not lose work over either yet I could have done so easily . But if I said I was unemployed the automatic assumption is someone who is to lazy to get off their butts! Thats off the point whats needed is to clamp down on WHVs being issued and used and then getting employers to look after retaining staff instead of paying peanuts! Because that peanut rate is equal to that of claiming the benefit! The benefit is enough to cover basic costs unless worked well by a few individuals .	coldfront (15814)
1163092	2010-12-20 19:05:00	The theory is that if they have to do that 1) they will look for a real job 2) if they are ripping the system off and doing casual jobs under the table they will go off the dole. 3) it will give others a work ethic (getting up each day) and a sense of worth. Yes the theory is that every person receiving a benefit does so because they prefer it to working. The reality is that while there are some that applies to, the majority are receiving it because there is unemployment. meaning a lack of jobs. So how does that create jobs? And you know WINZ count the Unemployed as those on the dole, not working any hours at all. If you work, say 10 hours, and get topped up by WINZ, you aren't counted. Nor are you counted if registered for job seeking but not receiving dole - like if your partner works. So the unemployment figures are higher than reported. But we mustn't frighten anyone with that news so we'll fudge the figures.....	pctek (84)
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