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Thread ID: 114882 2010-12-21 05:32:00 The next Ice Age looms coldfront (15814) PC World Chat
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1163898 2010-12-21 22:53:00 It's a tricky subject. On the one hand scientists talk about the theory of Global Warming and mankinds contribution to it as if these are established irrefutable facts when that's far from the case. There is certainly some good evidence to support it but there is also evidence to the contrary.

On the other hand there are the paranoid conspiricy theorists who seem to think anyone who puts the time and effort into becoming an expert in their field is automatically an evil corrupt puppet of gonvernments and corporations who are all out to get us (yeah right). And yet these same people will readily except almost any story that contradicts the mainstream view from any source qualified or otherwise and with no supporting evidence or research.

In the end though it doesn't matter. Global warming may or may not be happening and we may or may not be able to effect it. So what! Reducing pollution, using sustainable resources, protecting the enviroment, cleaning up our waste. These are good things whatever our reasons for doing them.

I watched an episode of Penn and Tellers Bullshit (great show) where they got someone to go round a group of students protesting logging with a petition to ban Hydrogen Dyoxide which they described as a chemical used in many manufacturing processes. (it is of course water although I think I may be remembering the name wrong maybe it should be dyhyrogen oxide ?) they got hundreds of signatures which just goes to prove a great percentage of protesters have no understanding of what it is they are protesting.


I think the main reason here is that many of these scientists are now specialists in their field...If indeed, it turns out a scam, those scientists are going to lose millions upon millions of funding and the livelihood! I believe most of it is hyperbole and is blown out of proportion just to keep the funding and topic alive and well! 		SolMiester (139)
1163899 2010-12-21 23:12:00 In other words, NO MATTER WHAT we do, its going to happen!
Problem is, do you REALLY want it to happen during YOUR lifetime? Or your children's time? I've seen may people say 'so what, it's gonna happen anyway' without realising it could happen in THEIR lifetime, or their children's. 		qazwsxokmijn (102)
1163900 2010-12-21 23:31:00 Problem is, do you REALLY want it to happen during YOUR lifetime? Or your children's time? I've seen may people say 'so what, it's gonna happen anyway' without realising it could happen in THEIR lifetime, or their children's.

LOL, its still hundreds of years away...LOL..We will be exploring space and other planet by then,...well, unless the ETS scam diverts all the money! 		SolMiester (139)
1163901 2010-12-22 00:11:00 You never know....things can unravel faster than any computer modeling results (which many are also doubtful of). Especially at our rate of growth.... qazwsxokmijn (102)
1163902 2010-12-22 00:15:00 Man made Climate change is still a hypothesis, simply put "It is at best unproven." "Scientists" who tried to prove the hypothesis be resorting to the selective use of data by omitting data that did not support their argument, and exterpolating short term climate trends as a continuing straight line trend forward for the next century using computer modelling systems that were not proven has done little to support a rational discussion on the matter.

The Man-made Climate Change scare has nevertheless, provided a golden opportunity to empower minority greenie groups and given opportunistic politicians and business men a justification to extract unaffordable vast amounts of money from the community and business under the feel good guise of saving the planet.

Whatever the truth is on the matter of Global Warming, or Global Freezing or Climate Change or Climate Disruption, there is no doubt that the world is grossly overpopulated with the Human Species, and that problem won't go away.

As man gets even better at negating all the natural events that culled the species in the past and kept numbers down, such as disease and famine, the problem of over population is only going to be exacerbated. After all, the reproductive act is a world wide popular activity and recreation, with the natural consequence of more and more people.

So what is the answer, demand that all nations institute population control and reduce natural population growth, a strict limit of 1 child per couple, it would take a couple of generations before any difference was noticed, and population demographics would be seriously upset with too many non producing elderly being supported by a reduced young working population. Perhaps a selective cull, we could all generate lists of people we thing the world could do without - none of us would be volunteering for ourselves or any of our own circle to be culled, although without a doubt we all would be on someones list. Only the self appointed elites are considered by themselves as non expendable. Maybe a bloody great world war is the answer, but the young tend to dominate the casualty lists, of the combatants anyway.

Of course we can all elect to do nothing while making a pretense of meaningful action, which is the current solution, and hope that the crunch day, week, month, year, decade, century doesn't happen in our lifetime. At my age it won't happen in mine.

It doesn't really bear thinking about, so why not just pour another drink and relax, let it be someone else's problem, its Christmas after all. 		KenESmith (6287)
1163903 2010-12-22 00:28:00 Oh what did I start in this thread :eek:

I only pointed out that it was Snowing in Australia :clap 		coldfront (15814)
1163904 2010-12-22 00:47:00 Man made Climate change is still a hypothesis, simply put "It is at best unproven." "Scientists" who tried to prove the hypothesis be resorting to the selective use of data by omitting data that did not support their argument, and exterpolating short term climate trends as a continuing straight line trend forward for the next century using computer modelling systems that were not proven has done little to support a rational discussion on the matter.

The Man-made Climate Change scare has nevertheless, provided a golden opportunity to empower minority greenie groups and given opportunistic politicians and business men a justification to extract unaffordable vast amounts of money from the community and business under the feel good guise of saving the planet.

Whatever the truth is on the matter of Global Warming, or Global Freezing or Climate Change or Climate Disruption, there is no doubt that the world is grossly overpopulated with the Human Species, and that problem won't go away.

As man gets even better at negating all the natural events that culled the species in the past and kept numbers down, such as disease and famine, the problem of over population is only going to be exacerbated. After all, the reproductive act is a world wide popular activity and recreation, with the natural consequence of more and more people.

So what is the answer, demand that all nations institute population control and reduce natural population growth, a strict limit of 1 child per couple, it would take a couple of generations before any difference was noticed, and population demographics would be seriously upset with too many non producing elderly being supported by a reduced young working population. Perhaps a selective cull, we could all generate lists of people we thing the world could do without - none of us would be volunteering for ourselves or any of our own circle to be culled, although without a doubt we all would be on someones list. Only the self appointed elites are considered by themselves as non expendable. Maybe a bloody great world war is the answer, but the young tend to dominate the casualty lists, of the combatants anyway.

Of course we can all elect to do nothing while making a pretense of meaningful action, which is the current solution, and hope that the crunch day, week, month, year, decade, century doesn't happen in our lifetime. At my age it won't happen in mine.

It doesn't really bear thinking about, so why not just pour another drink and relax, let it be someone else's problem, its Christmas after all.
:thumbs: I like your style old man.

Though personally I think man DOES affect the climate (though to what degree I am still undecided) as we do countless other things.

Overpopulation certainly is a huge problem. I reckon it's the biggest problem we have, although many pro-human rights nuttos reckon it's not a problem. True, it won't be a problem if affluence wasn't one either; but we can't expect us First World-ers to sacrifice comfortable, wasteful lifestyles we have become too accustomed to.

We do need to solve our rampant over-breeding. Indeed, these rising numbers we face today are due to medical revolution that has made it even affordable for third world countries to procreate to unsustainable proportions. However what was not anticipated is an even lower quality of life for these poor people as their populations boom in environments that could barely sustain even a fraction of their current numbers. 		qazwsxokmijn (102)
1163905 2010-12-22 00:53:00 Man made Climate change is still a hypothesis, simply put "It is at best unproven." "Scientists" who tried to prove the hypothesis be resorting to the selective use of data by omitting data that did not support their argument, and extrapolating short term climate trends as a continuing straight line trend forward for the next century using computer modeling systems that were not proven has done little to support a rational discussion on the matter.

The Man-made Climate Change scare has nevertheless, provided a golden opportunity to empower minority greenie groups and given opportunistic politicians and business men a justification to extract unaffordable vast amounts of money from the community and business under the feel good guise of saving the planet.

Whatever the truth is on the matter of Global Warming, or Global Freezing or Climate Change or Climate Disruption, there is no doubt that the world is grossly overpopulated with the Human Species, and that problem won't go away.

As man gets even better at negating all the natural events that culled the species in the past and kept numbers down, such as disease and famine, the problem of over population is only going to be exacerbated. After all, the reproductive act is a world wide popular activity and recreation, with the natural consequence of more and more people.

So what is the answer, demand that all nations institute population control and reduce natural population growth, a strict limit of 1 child per couple, it would take a couple of generations before any difference was noticed, and population demographics would be seriously upset with too many non producing elderly being supported by a reduced young working population. Perhaps a selective cull, we could all generate lists of people we thing the world could do without - none of us would be volunteering for ourselves or any of our own circle to be culled, although without a doubt we all would be on someones list. Only the self appointed elites are considered by themselves as non expendable. Maybe a bloody great world war is the answer, but the young tend to dominate the casualty lists, of the combatants anyway.

Of course we can all elect to do nothing while making a pretense of meaningful action, which is the current solution, and hope that the crunch day, week, month, year, decade, century doesn't happen in our lifetime. At my age it won't happen in mine.

It doesn't really bear thinking about, so why not just pour another drink and relax, let it be someone else's problem, its Christmas after all.

^This Ken, is probably the best answer to the whole sorry saga...and the reasoning certainly appears to have been plucked from my very own head?
Hope you dont mind if I cut n paste it off to a few greenie merchants! 		SolMiester (139)
1163906 2010-12-22 00:56:00 Man made Climate change is still a hypothesis, simply put "It is at best unproven." "Scientists" who tried to prove the hypothesis be resorting to the selective use of data by omitting data that did not support their argument, and exterpolating short term climate trends as a continuing straight line trend forward for the next century using computer modelling systems that were not proven has done little to support a rational discussion on the matter.

The Man-made Climate Change scare has nevertheless, provided a golden opportunity to empower minority greenie groups and given opportunistic politicians and business men a justification to extract unaffordable vast amounts of money from the community and business under the feel good guise of saving the planet.

Whatever the truth is on the matter of Global Warming, or Global Freezing or Climate Change or Climate Disruption, there is no doubt that the world is grossly overpopulated with the Human Species, and that problem won't go away.

As man gets even better at negating all the natural events that culled the species in the past and kept numbers down, such as disease and famine, the problem of over population is only going to be exacerbated. After all, the reproductive act is a world wide popular activity and recreation, with the natural consequence of more and more people.

So what is the answer, demand that all nations institute population control and reduce natural population growth, a strict limit of 1 child per couple, it would take a couple of generations before any difference was noticed, and population demographics would be seriously upset with too many non producing elderly being supported by a reduced young working population. Perhaps a selective cull, we could all generate lists of people we thing the world could do without - none of us would be volunteering for ourselves or any of our own circle to be culled, although without a doubt we all would be on someones list. Only the self appointed elites are considered by themselves as non expendable. Maybe a bloody great world war is the answer, but the young tend to dominate the casualty lists, of the combatants anyway.

Of course we can all elect to do nothing while making a pretense of meaningful action, which is the current solution, and hope that the crunch day, week, month, year, decade, century doesn't happen in our lifetime. At my age it won't happen in mine.

It doesn't really bear thinking about, so why not just pour another drink and relax, let it be someone else's problem, its Christmas after all.


Right on squire 		prefect (6291)
1163907 2010-12-22 01:10:00 Climate change is certainly not man - made, it however may be influenced to a lessor or greater degree by some of man's activities, but none of this is conclusively proven.

What is logical is that if man's acivities are influencing to some degree the earth's climate then that influence is directly proportional to the size of the human population, and if the human population goes on expanding then these influences are naturally going to increase. as is the levels of pollution of the atmosphere with gaseous industrial pollution, along with the the polution of fresh water reserves and the oceans.

An increasing inability to produce sufficient food to feed burgeoning populations, and an escalating demand for resources are likely to generate pressures that could lead to widespead conflict. This may not be all bad as it could see a dramatic reduction in overpopulation, as long as one is one of the survivors.

I can't do anything to change this, so I might as well pour myself another drink. Cheers! 		KenESmith (6287)
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