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Thread ID: 114865	2010-12-20 17:05:00	Anti smacking law working?	Snorkbox (15764)	PC World Chat

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1163627	2010-12-21 17:53:00	Works in A&E at our local Hospital! :groan: Never saw one child smacked the whole time I was there. :D	B.M. (505)
1163628	2010-12-21 18:02:00	12 Volts. My point is that the Govt passed a law that actually did nothing as in the Anti smacking bill. It can and could make criminals out of Parents who DO care. On the other hand you seem to make apologies for those who should receive a form of punishment for doing something that they know to be wrong. For me I'd rather give a child a clip over the ear rather than see the same kid grow up to occupy a prison cell. For the record I grew up in a home where Mum used the copper stick and Dad used his belt and the teachers used cut down razor strops. I never had to go to hospital for the injuries received. Perhaps a better answer is to bring back the stocks and humiliate miscreants at an early age rather than saying it's a medical condition or blame others. As to the dead child in Napier I take it you know all the circumstances? Another red herring or strawman argument from you I believe. Well so you are arguing that a smack prevents violence later, which scientifically at least has been shown to be wrong. As for humiliating people as a from of punishment, really do you think that would work? It's not a red herring to ask you what your argument is, it wasn't clear and Metla at least couldn't actually state what it was well at the same time attacking an argument I hadn't actually made, his usual approach. He now hides behind the tragic death line as a smoke screen. As for Myth, talks a lot about sex crime which wasn't actually connected to my question, as if I support sex offenders which for the record I don't. I don't make apologies for offenders, they deserve to be punished for offending. So I don't see in this thread where I said I was against or for the smacking law, I merely asked what was the link was with the Napier event. The law could allow smacking even if was shown to scientifically be harmful, which is the current position of the scientific research. So scientifically speaking that clip around the ear will not have a positive effect, but I think you really know that already.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1163629	2010-12-21 18:05:00	Works in A&E at our local Hospital! :groan: Never saw one child smacked the whole time I was there. :D Try the supermarkets. :D	Twelvevolts (5457)
1163630	2010-12-21 18:26:00	Try the supermarkets. :D I’m not at all familiar with Supermarkets, given that I avoid them like the plague. :lol: Do they have “Smack Free Zones” too? I do wonder though if the sign implies that the hospital has set aside another zone for smacking or that all other zones allow smacking? They really should be more specific. :D	B.M. (505)
1163631	2010-12-21 18:51:00	I’m not at all familiar with Supermarkets, given that I avoid them like the plague. :lol: Do they have “Smack Free Zones” too? I do wonder though if the sign implies that the hospital has set aside another zone for smacking or that all other zones allow smacking? They really should be more specific. :D I try and avoid A&E like the plague :D Maybe they need a sign saying Smack Here. Unfortunately they'd have a long line of heroin addicts if they did. :lol:	Twelvevolts (5457)
1163632	2010-12-21 19:24:00	The family had been involved with CYF, a family support agency, a registered ACC counsellor, a court-appointed psychologist, the child's court-appointed lawyer and a child and youth mental health service. CYF will also investigate claims by the girl's teacher that reports of abuse by the school were not investigated. In an email to Prime Minister John Key, the teacher said she reported her concerns about "constant abuse" the girl was suffering to school management on a "weekly, almost daily" basis. But the message the school got back from the child's social worker was that she was "clumsy and accident prone". In her email, the teacher said she felt powerless to do anything to protect the girl and keep her safe. "This child has come to school with black eyes, a swollen face, swollen nose, bruises, abrasions and infected wounds that have all been explained as her being 'clumsy and accident prone'. "However she is only accident prone at home, she has not had a so-called accident while at school ... "Why do we have to wait for a child to be seriously injured or killed before action is taken?"	pctek (84)
1163633	2010-12-21 19:41:00	CYFS have always been a joke I'm not talking about the volunteers who become foster parents (although some of these should never have been allowed anywhere near a kid) - I am talking about the administration and these so-called social workers who wouldn't know child abuse if they saw it full on. Also 12V.. how many times did you smack your head while you read my post? The self-harm is severely affecting your perception of peoples posts. Maybe you should stop doing harming yourself and read the posts as they were actually written	Myth (110)
1163634	2010-12-21 21:29:00	In the appropriate circumstances a smack does work as a deterrent unfortunately some people take it too far and it becomes abuse, it's a very fine line between the two. As a kid I received the stick and the strap from my Dad, the cane and the slipper from my headmaster and it stopped me from falling down the slippery slope to becoming a criminal. Not once did I consider it abuse and I still don't it was effective punishment that I rightly deserved. I do believe in corporal punishment and nothing not even the law can change my mind	gary67 (56)
1163635	2010-12-21 22:35:00	Most of the punishments I received - I do not consider abuse This included the leather belt, cane and various other straps at school. As gary says - kept me outta [most] trouble	Myth (110)
1163636	2010-12-21 22:39:00	Meh... Any new law in this country really doesn't have a chance of succeeding while we have judges who allow recidivist offending. Case in point: Drunk drivers. Hell, if they can be allowed back on the road 17+ times; what chance do the kids have? The crux of the matter is, laws are only obeyed by the lawful, end of story really...Parents that are abusive to their children (and I dont mean smacking) need to be removed from them, they arent going to stop because of a law!	SolMiester (139)
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