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Thread ID: 114882 2010-12-21 05:32:00 The next Ice Age looms coldfront (15814) PC World Chat
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1163888 2010-12-21 20:25:00 Well seeing that we were supposedly entering an Ice Age in 1974 ( See Here ) and given all the alarmist theory’s on Global Warming have been largely dispelled, the perpetrators of the Rort were left with no option but to consult the Spin Doctors for a change of tact if their little ploy was to succeed.

The Spin Doctors came up with a change of name to "Climate Change" which would cover them even if the earlier Scientists were proven to be right and we entered another Ice Age. However, “Climate Change” doesn’t have the “Alarmist Factor” as we all know the climate changes anyway. Summer – Autumn – Winter – Spring.

So, the Spin Doctors had to be consulted again and to make things more dramatic we now have “Climatic Disruption”. ( See Here )

Of course all this can be corrected by Taxes, of which the protagonist’s will get plenty. :mad:

However, this whole charade has masked another important problem as in “Wanton Pollution”.

I’m all for addressing this matter and indeed believe that Rubbish Dumps (Whoops - “Transfer Stations”) should be open sunrise to sunset seven days a week and be absolutely free. This way all the rubbish could be professionally dealt with and people would be encouraged to take their rubbish to the dump instead of throwing it over a bank somewhere or just leaving it in their back yards. As it stands, it costs an arm and a leg to use these Rubbish Dumps. Well it does here anyway, $5 minimum charge, even for a lolly paper. :mad: 		B.M. (505)
1163889 2010-12-21 20:34:00 Biting winters driven by global warming: scientists

PARIS — Counter-intuitive but true, say scientists: a string of freezing European winters scattered over the last decade has been driven in large part by global warming.

New research, goes further, showing that global warming has actually contributed to Europe's winter blues.

Rising temperatures in the Arctic -- increasing at two to three times the global average -- have peeled back the region's floating ice cover by 20 percent over the last three decades.

This has allowed more of the Sun's radiative force to be absorbed by dark-blue sea rather than bounced back into space by reflective ice and snow, accelerating the warming process. 		pctek (84)
1163890 2010-12-21 20:45:00 Whats the problem we were going into another ice age so if global warming is true they cancel each other out and everyone can be happy happy joy joy. prefect (6291)
1163891 2010-12-21 20:58:00 If we go into ice age do we get mammoths? :D The Error Guy (14052)
1163892 2010-12-21 21:21:00 Still not getting it hey, the predictions are that there will be increasing weather instability, both hot and cold, wet and dry, due to increasing energy in the system (the net losses of all of mankind's exploits which are new to the situation) (so-called global warming), if the global weather systems are finely balanced then it is possible we will flip into another 10,000 year or more ice age because the heat from the Equatorial regions will not be transferred to the poles due to disruptions in the Atlantic Conveyor and Gulf Stream.

This has happened a number of times in the past and fears are that our activities will cause it to prematurely happen again.

And the cause of this in the past was...??? Overpopulation? Industrialisation? Too many dinosaur farts?

This is where the "man-made global-warming/climate change/climatic disruption" argument falls to pieces for me.

Wikipedia (en.wikipedia.org) (as an example):


During the Great Frost of 1683–84, the worst frost recorded in England, the Thames was completely frozen for two months, with the ice reaching a thickness of 11 inches (28 cm) in London. Solid ice was reported extending for miles off the coasts of the southern North Sea (England, France and the Low Countries), causing severe problems for shipping and preventing the use of many harbours. Near Manchester, the ground was frozen to 27 inches; in Somerset, to more than four feet

Population was around 545 million (here (www.worldhistorysite.com)) around then, as opposed to 6000 million (6 billion) today.

There was no industrialisation, so the only pollution would have been localised, apart from smoke from wood fires.

EDIT: If you go back further in time to look at ice ages, there were even fewer people around at the time to cause the "climatic disruption". 		johcar (6283)
1163893 2010-12-21 21:22:00 Well seeing that we were supposedly entering an Ice Age in 1974 ( See Here ) and given all the alarmist theory’s on Global Warming have been largely dispelled, the perpetrators of the Rort were left with no option but to consult the Spin Doctors for a change of tact if their little ploy was to succeed.

The Spin Doctors came up with a change of name to "Climate Change" which would cover them even if the earlier Scientists were proven to be right and we entered another Ice Age. However, “Climate Change” doesn’t have the “Alarmist Factor” as we all know the climate changes anyway. Summer – Autumn – Winter – Spring.

So, the Spin Doctors had to be consulted again and to make things more dramatic we now have “Climatic Disruption”. ( See Here )

Of course all this can be corrected by Taxes, of which the protagonist’s will get plenty. :mad:

However, this whole charade has masked another important problem as in “Wanton Pollution”.

I’m all for addressing this matter and indeed believe that Rubbish Dumps (Whoops - “Transfer Stations”) should be open sunrise to sunset seven days a week and be absolutely free. This way all the rubbish could be professionally dealt with and people would be encouraged to take their rubbish to the dump instead of throwing it over a bank somewhere or just leaving it in their back yards. As it stands, it costs an arm and a leg to use these Rubbish Dumps. Well it does here anyway, $5 minimum charge, even for a lolly paper. :mad:


You forgot the links 		gary67 (56)
1163894 2010-12-21 21:38:00 It's a tricky subject. On the one hand scientists talk about the theory of Global Warming and mankinds contribution to it as if these are established irrefutable facts when that's far from the case. There is certainly some good evidence to support it but there is also evidence to the contrary.

On the other hand there are the paranoid conspiricy theorists who seem to think anyone who puts the time and effort into becoming an expert in their field is automatically an evil corrupt puppet of gonvernments and corporations who are all out to get us (yeah right). And yet these same people will readily except almost any story that contradicts the mainstream view from any source qualified or otherwise and with no supporting evidence or research.

In the end though it doesn't matter. Global warming may or may not be happening and we may or may not be able to effect it. So what! Reducing pollution, using sustainable resources, protecting the enviroment, cleaning up our waste. These are good things whatever our reasons for doing them.

I watched an episode of Penn and Tellers Bullshit (great show) where they got someone to go round a group of students protesting logging with a petition to ban Hydrogen Dyoxide which they described as a chemical used in many manufacturing processes. (it is of course water although I think I may be remembering the name wrong maybe it should be dyhyrogen oxide ?) they got hundreds of signatures which just goes to prove a great percentage of protesters have no understanding of what it is they are protesting. 		dugimodo (138)
1163895 2010-12-21 22:04:00 You forgot the links

Dahhhh, what happened there. :o Let's try again.

See Here (www.time.com) and Here (www.foxnews.com) 		B.M. (505)
1163896 2010-12-21 22:14:00 In the end though it doesn't matter. Global warming may or may not be happening and we may or may not be able to effect it. So what! Reducing pollution, using sustainable resources, protecting the enviroment, cleaning up our waste. These are good things whatever our reasons for doing them.


Even though my name is Green, I am not a greenie, but I do agree with what you say dugi.

Indeed I would go further and say that the best way to stop using all of the world resources, and putting pressure on water, land etc is to start reducing the world population.

My suggestion is one child per female for the next 50 years. And then it compulsory sterilisation for them. (its not fascist or demonic, its just necessary to bring the population down.)

But we still need more people in NZ! 		Digby (677)
1163897 2010-12-21 22:49:00 Still not getting it hey, the predictions are that there will be increasing weather instability, both hot and cold, wet and dry, due to increasing energy in the system (the net losses of all of mankind's exploits which are new to the situation) (so-called global warming), if the global weather systems are finely balanced then it is possible we will flip into another 10,000 year or more ice age because the heat from the Equatorial regions will not be transferred to the poles due to disruptions in the Atlantic Conveyor and Gulf Stream.

This has happened a number of times in the past and fears are that our activities will cause it to prematurely happen again.

In other words, NO MATTER WHAT we do, its going to happen! 		SolMiester (139)
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