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Thread ID: 115169	2011-01-05 21:56:00	Names please :p	beetle (243)	PC World Chat

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1167445	2011-03-20 04:31:00	I FOUND IT!!! Sorry to bring up an old thread, but I FOUND IT!!! It's been bugging me for a bit lately, so I dug out a mirror I had of ImageF1 and I FOUND IT!!! Unfortunately, it's not actually from you Erayd, but rather, a conversation between you and Rene, on a mac. You're telling him how to take a screenshot, funnily enough... I won't post it here publicly, because it has a lot of personal info, but, the important thing is I WASN'T IMAGINING IT! Hmm, thanks for that. Any chance you could PM me a link, or email me the file (you still have my email right)? Any screenshot that has my personal info in it, I'd rather know about.	Erayd (23)
1167446	2011-03-20 09:27:00	Just flicked it through to your gmail address now.	ubergeek85 (131)
1167447	2011-03-20 09:53:00	Got it, thanks :D.	Erayd (23)
1167448	2011-03-20 10:02:00	I run Gentoo most of the time :thumbs:. Looks like the rest of the userbase is giving you a bad rep...:devil This is from the faq in the rxvt terminal emulator man page/docs pod.tst.eu I use Gentoo, and I have a problem... There are three big problems with Gentoo Linux: first of all, most if not all Gentoo systems are completely broken (missing or mismatched header files, broken compiler etc. are just the tip of the iceberg); secondly, the Gentoo maintainer thinks it is a good idea to add broken patches to the code; and lastly, it should be called Gentoo GNU/Linux. For these reasons, it is impossible to support rxvt-unicode on Gentoo. Problems appearing on Gentoo systems will usually simply be ignored unless they can be reproduced on non-Gentoo systems. :lol:	fred_fish (15241)
1167449	2011-03-20 20:03:00	Looks like the rest of the userbase is giving you a bad rep...:devil This is from the faq in the rxvt terminal emulator man page/docs pod.tst.eu :lol:I think you'll find that's a single pissed-off developer taking out his frustration in his FAQ page, not 'the rest of the userbase'. That said, baseless bashing of Gentoo annoys me, so I feel compelled to rebut your quote :p: ...first of all, most if not all Gentoo systems are completely broken (missing or mismatched header files, broken compiler etc. are just the tip of the iceberg)...As mentioned above, I suspect the writer has had a bad experience. Most Gentoo systems are *not* completely broken - in fact, most of them are in better shape than your average Ubuntu install. It's also worth pointing out that if the compiler was broken, or system headers were missing, then the person responsible for that system clearly doesn't know how to maintain it, and has tried some ill-advised manual tampering. These kinds of things don't just happen, they are caused. Most Gentoo systems tend to have a *better* build system than binary distros, if only because the system depends on it so completely. As far as missing header files go, there are three things that can cause this: The developer of rxvt-unicode forgot to specify the correct dependencies, or whoever wrote the ebuild missed one. Noting the way ebuilds are developed & debugged, the latter is unlikely. Whoever is responsible for maintaining the Gentoo system in question decided to go nuts and delete random system headers out of /usr/include. This is *very* unlikely; anybody doing this is just asking for a broken system, and the vast majority of Gentoo users are smart enough to leave them alone. The developer of rxvt-unicode wasn't actually coding to POSIX standards, and tried to use a feature that doesn't exist, or the developer had failed to update their code to keep pace with changes in the various standards (and yes some of these are de-facto standards rather than formal, but none of them are Gentoo-specific, and everybody else manages to keep up). Noting they're ranting about the compiler and the headers in the same breath, what I suspect was actually the case was that their application was not updated, and required an ancient version of GCC / libc / etc to properly compile. As none of the other distros mentioned are source distros, the problems weren't evident there, because the compiling is done by the package maintainers, not by the end user. When Mr. Smith tried to compile it on Gentoo with a modern compiler & relevant libraries, the build failed. ...secondly, the Gentoo maintainer thinks it is a good idea to add broken patches to the code...As a rule, patches aren't added unless there's already something broken that the patches are intended to fix. While it's possible that the maintainer responsible for the Gentoo rxvt-unicode ebuild did a shoddy job, it's more likely that rxvt's developer failed to properly patch the upstream source, so the ebuild maintainer was forced to work around this by patching locally. As rxvt-unicode compiles and installs properly on almost all Gentoo systems, this generally means that the patches aren't broken - if they were broken, they'd be failing everywhere. Failing patches don't make it into stable, and get masked until they're fixed. ...and lastly, it should be called Gentoo GNU/Linux.This screams to me of looking for something to moan about, but not having any valid points left. The fact that this made it into the FAQ at all speaks rather poorly of the writer.	Erayd (23)
1167450	2011-03-20 20:34:00	Wow. Hit a nerve, sorry. Should have used a few more devil smiley's. The timing was serendipitous, I'd read it only a few minutes before your (oldish) post hove into view and I couldn't resist... :) Gentoo is one of those distro's where the state of the system fairly accurately reflects the state of the admin, and I suspect a wave of 1337 fanbois, whose ego exceeds their knowledge, prompted said response from the rxvt dev. Just struck me as a funny rant to appear in the FAQ.;)	fred_fish (15241)
1167451	2011-03-20 21:21:00	Wow. Hit a nerve, sorry. Should have used a few more devil smiley's.Haha, no nerve was hit, and that wasn't aimed at you anyway, it was aimed at the dev who wrote it. I'm just an argumentative bastard by nature, so it just gave me an opportunity ;). Gentoo is one of those distro's where the state of the system fairly accurately reflects the state of the admin, and I suspect a wave of 1337 fanbois, whose ego exceeds their knowledge, prompted said response from the rxvt dev.Absolutely - if the install is broken, there's only one person who's responsible for it :devil. Just struck me as a funny rant to appear in the FAQ.;)Yep, it's not often you see something like that in a FAQ (although I have seen a few rants).	Erayd (23)
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