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Thread ID: 115127	2011-01-03 07:19:00	My Stepson Just Killed A Guy	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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1166722	2011-01-05 20:24:00	If you attack Police Officers with a knife, you are I suspect quite clearly off your head (most likely on a hallucinogen). Alternatively you may be suicidal, as it is not unknown for people to involve the Police in their own death wish. Pretty hard to argue with someone in that state and if the danger of a further stabbing exists, the officer is clearly required to do something then and there. Potentially if it were possible you could use a taser or a baton if that could restrain the offender, but more than likely in this scenario you've only got a few seconds to do something. You now need to use your gun and you would be an idiot to shoot for other than the middle of the chest, anything else may not stop the offender and risk him getting hold of the gun. It's not shoot to kill, but chances are it will cause death or at least serious injury. Shooting someone is unlikely to be trivial for any officer, usually they'd need counseling to come to terms with it but most likely they'd need some time to get back on duty. There is justification for killing someone, and this is one of those cases most likely. Looks like you're on your own on this one, Roscoe...	johcar (6283)
1166723	2011-01-05 20:30:00	Like I said - it was a 'Domestic Disturbance' call - one of the most deadly calls a cop can go on . If the husband's not killed the wife yet, then they BOTH tend to side up against the officer . These situations have to be disarmed instantly if not sooner . I had completely forgotten about another incident, many years ago when my first wife was still alive . I guess I 'shelved' this situation and hadn't thought about it for years until now . My brother-in-law responded in a two-man car in South LA for a 'Mother-Son 4-15" confrontation where they both turned on him and his partner wound up shooting both of them multiple times as they wouldn't go down . The mother had shot my brother-in-law in the back with a Mac-9, modified to full automatic and this situation was one where both perpetrators were shot so many times and yet they survived . His partner had unloaded his 45 service Glock on them both . They walked to the ambulance later . My brother-in-law had to also shoot the pit bull dog that the son had set loose on them as it was attacking the other officer, but he was out of ammunition trying to reload and the dog wouldn't wait on that . The whole family was Salvadorean illegal aliens and they sued the police department for racial stereotyping and abuse under the color of authority - an odd claim, but it stuck and the LAPD had to pay off over $10 million . Just a nasty situation all around and my B-I-Law was never the same thereafter .	SurferJoe46 (51)
1166724	2011-01-05 20:39:00	My condolences Joe for your Stepson. Many people are never the same after even witnessing a person die, not even from a shooting, let alone having to pull the trigger. Still, had he not acted, his partner could have ended up in a much worse state, never let him forget that.	Chilling_Silence (9)
1166725	2011-01-05 22:26:00	they sued the police department for racial stereotyping and abuse under the color of authority - an odd claim, but it stuck and the LAPD had to pay off over $10 million . Just a nasty situation all around and my B-I-Law was never the same thereafter . I could see that happening here . If a crim ends up with so much as a single bruise resulting from police restraining them, they will try to claim compensation . It doesn't matter if the crim tries to fight his way out of the situation, the cops are only allowed to use a minimum amount of force . It is a difficult situation for those governing the police - if they give the police too much power there will be some who abuse it, but put too many rules in place & the officers are afraid to defend themselves .	Greven (91)
1166726	2011-01-05 23:23:00	I could see that happening here. If a crim ends up with so much as a single bruise resulting from police restraining them, they will try to claim compensation. It doesn't matter if the crim tries to fight his way out of the situation, the cops are only allowed to use a minimum amount of force. It is a difficult situation for those governing the police - if they give the police too much power there will be some who abuse it, but put too many rules in place & the officers are afraid to defend themselves. You obviously have different cops in your area than around here, I've never seen a cop not prepared to use force where necessary. Usually they introduce the offenders face to the asphalt. Anyone who has ever drank in a Police bar knows the cops don't mind a bit of a rumble. Equally I never heard a crim moan about it either, mostly they know the rules and majority of them see it as an "occupational" hazard.	Twelvevolts (5457)
1166727	2011-01-06 00:00:00	You obviously have different cops in your area than around here, I've never seen a cop not prepared to use force where necessary . Usually they introduce the offenders face to the asphalt . Anyone who has ever drank in a Police bar knows the cops don't mind a bit of a rumble . Equally I never heard a crim moan about it either, mostly they know the rules and majority of them see it as an "occupational" hazard . Yep When I was young we had a Bikey gang move in front of us on a shared driveway (rather unfortunate parents were not pleased) I witnessed one party night, the cops use a Bedford van to ram down the gate, not leave one of them standing, and a smashed stereo and other gear, they were very quiet for weeks after that lol . Not sure where this "NZ cops are soft" stereotype comes from, mainstream media reports I am guessing . Fully armed cops in the US does not seem to curb the amount of cops dying . Does "seem" to make there police fatter as they don't feel the need to keep fit, not many fat cops here but that's all your see on US TV .	Battleneter2 (9361)
1166728	2011-01-06 04:21:00	The NZ cops are not soft at all, but sometime criminals know how to play the system & it ends up being the cop answering for their actions instead of the criminal	Greven (91)
1166729	2011-01-06 04:48:00	I was quite impressed in Kataia how the police "subdued" some drunk maoris who were attempting to get in my camper. Blood everywhere the next morning. One had his head banged into a lamp post and he slid down like in a cartoon. I guess you cant talk sense into drunks who were resisting arrest.	prefect (6291)
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