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Thread ID: 115127	2011-01-03 07:19:00	My Stepson Just Killed A Guy	SurferJoe46 (51)	PC World Chat

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1166702	2011-01-04 05:41:00	but despite comments to the contrary on this thread, nobody deserves to die for their actions. Disable the offender, yes, but it is completely unnecessary to kill him. Straight from the mouth of someone who has not been in a life or death situation forced upon them by a violent offender I presume (as dangerous as presuming is). Probably one of those who like to spend several months after an incident debating from the safety of their home or local cafe the ins and outs of a situation and the possible ways it could have been resolved, despite never having been there. If I'm wrong I'm sorry, but having been in some hairy situations myself, and after hearing the analysis of those who know no better when they are comfortably ensconced in their own safe lives, I have no time for those that think that sometimes a situation could have been resolved without the loss of a (scumbags) life.	Tukapa (62)
1166703	2011-01-04 05:53:00	I suppose not all Americans are blasé about people being shot and it must be more traumatic when it is one of your own that pulls the trigger. But that does not change the fact that shootings are a commonplace occurrence in America and in most cases it does not warrant a mention. That does not mean that I am not sympathetic. It must be difficult for Joe and his stepson. But that does not change the fact that that sort of thing is a fact of life in America. If you choose to live there then expect that sort of thing to happen. It is hard to comment when you do not know all the facts, but despite comments to the contrary on this thread, nobody deserves to die for their actions. Disable the offender, yes, but it is completely unnecessary to kill him. Disable shot pretty hard to do when things are happening fast best thing is to fire into biggest bit the trunk or head shot. Disable shooting is ga ga land at close quarters. I wouldnt think anyone should have any problems living with killing scum. You dont carry a gun around as an ornament times right ya gotta use it.	prefect (6291)
1166704	2011-01-04 06:24:00	Disable shot pretty hard to do when things are happening fast Very, I don't know how many of you do any sort of firearms work, especially with handguns but you are trained for the largest and most convenient target, the chest. If things are going quick (they usually are) you can't aim for his legs or arms, its a useless target. Especially in this case, the bullet wound would not have stopped the offender from attempting (maybe successfully this time) to stab the other officer. With a chest wound from a gunshot it is highly likely death will result since there are a lot of complicated bits in there that are pretty fragile when it comes to speeding lumps of lead. Even if Joe's Stepson had hit the offender in the arm or leg it could easily resulted in death as well, it is quite easy to clip an artery which would have lead to the offender bleeding to death. Without actually knowing what went on during the incident I would guess the guy died with 2x chest wounds, maybe one. All in all, the offender should not have attempted to stab anyone in the first place. This to me highlights several things around our own police, right now quite a few of us here have asked the police to be armed. In the recent situations deaths would have most likely also occurred as the officers would have most likely fired upon the offenders (although that can only be speculated). In response to this incident however now it seems that some people do not see the death of the offender as a positive outcome, rather it is a passive response that is seemingly the desired outcome. Firearms are not disabling weapons, their specific design is to kill.	The Error Guy (14052)
1166705	2011-01-04 06:25:00	nobody deserves to die for their actions WHOA, I would have to wholeheartedly disagree with that statement.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
1166706	2011-01-04 07:14:00	There is absolutely NO JUSTIFICATION for deliberately killing anyone. As I said before - disable him. Shoot him in the legs or something but you cannot excuse anyone for what amounts to, at least, manslaughter. If he was not a cop, then he would be charged with manslaughter at least. Because he is a member of the police he can get away with murder. That cannot be right! That means you have one law for the police and another law for everyone else. Does that mean that American police can shoot anyone with any provocation? Sounds as though they can. That does not happen in New Zealand, thank goodness.	Roscoe (6288)
1166707	2011-01-04 07:17:00	There is absolutely NO JUSTIFICATION for deliberately killing anyone. As I said before - disable him. Shoot him in the legs or something but you cannot excuse anyone for what amounts to, at least, manslaughter. If he was not a cop, then he would be charged with manslaughter at least. Because he is a member of the police he can get away with murder. That cannot be right! That means you have one law for the police and another law for everyone else. Does that mean that American police can shoot anyone with any provocation? Sounds as though they can. That does not happen in New Zealand, thank goodness. Here come da flames. :eek: Youse guys wanna take this? I sense an 'It Takes A Village' mentality here.	SurferJoe46 (51)
1166708	2011-01-04 07:19:00	sorry to hear joe. at least police over their are well setup for that sort of event. once the investigation into good/bad shoot is over things will settle down. at least they probably have a much better system over there for handling that sort of thing. i'm guessing shootings are a bit more common and there is less public interest/pressure. no big media wind up and politicians pressuring the police etc. at least he did the right thing. if he had not, odds are one or both of them would be dead. the old adage "winner of a knife fight goes to the ER". as for people suggesting things like "shoot to disable" clearly have no idea what those situations are like. knifes are very lethal in close quarters. hand guns are not all that effective. most people shot with handguns live and not all hand guns are good "stoppers" ie person will keep going after being shot. eg there was a case here where cops shot a knife wielding person 3 times and he was still going.	tweak'e (69)
1166709	2011-01-04 07:22:00	roscoe, your a perfect victim, just waiting to be buried.	tweak'e (69)
1166710	2011-01-04 07:28:00	There is absolutely NO JUSTIFICATION for deliberately killing anyone. As I said before - disable him. Shoot him in the legs or something but you cannot excuse anyone for what amounts to, at least, manslaughter. That would have to be the worst case of a deluded arm-chair expert I have ever come across. Well done. The Queen herself should give a medal.	Metla (12)
1166711	2011-01-04 07:34:00	There is absolutely NO JUSTIFICATION for deliberately killing anyone. I don't know about you, but I don't consider anyone who rapes, kills and destroy the lives of innocent people a 'human'. For example, the recent case where that 9 year old was found to be grossly abused by her own parents. Let me tell you, her parents do not deserve to live. They do not deserve to have children. They do not deserve to be kept alive by a society so repulsed by what they have done to their own children. Certain people are quite frankly overstaying their welcome in this world. And in the case of Joe's stepson? It's almost impossible to take selective aim in his situation and I hope you won't go further into it cause I think it's already doing Joe in. As far as I'm concerned, and for those who think logically and clearly, Joe's stepson has averted the death of his cop colleague and himself, and most likely any future victims that the thug he shot would have made.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
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