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Thread ID: 115245	2011-01-09 10:56:00	A Perspective on Green Politics	KenESmith (6287)	PC World Chat

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1168358	2011-01-10 01:42:00	After all, Money is everything :annoyed: It certainly is if you don't have any - or enough to get by...... Yeah, before money people just stood in the rain and starved.:D	Metla (12)
1168359	2011-01-10 02:00:00	The climate along the Queensland coast ranges from hot and humid in the far north, to comfortable cool temperatures in the southeast . The far north is tropical and has a wet and dry season . Summer (Wet Season): December - February These months experience the highest rainfall, and can also be accompanied by thunderstorms and the occasional tropical cyclone in northern tropical regions . The Aswan Dam was constructed between 1960 and 1970 . It aimed to increase economic production by further regulating the annual river flooding and providing storage of water for agriculture, and later, to generate hydroelectricity . Before the dams were built, the River Nile flooded each year during late summer . These floods brought high water and natural nutrients and minerals that annually enriched the fertile soil along the floodplain and delta; this made the Nile valley ideal for farming since ancient times . Because floods vary, in high-water years, the whole crop might be wiped out, while in low-water years widespread drought and famine occasionally occurred . The High Dam had a number of environmental and social impacts, some more serious than others, some anticipated and some not, some mitigated and some not . Among the impacts that were anticipated was the loss of soil fertility, health impacts and coastal erosion . Some environmental impacts materialized such as waterlogging and soil salinization . In the case of some other anticipated impacts, it is not clear if they have been mitigated or not, such as the impact on Mediterranean fisheries . Some anticipated impacts could simply not be mitigated, such as reservoir evaporation and siltation . There were also some impacts that were apparently not anticipated, such as the loss of arable land because the brick-making industry used alluvial deposits from existing lands instead of the annual silt deposits .	pctek (84)
1168360	2011-01-10 04:56:00	I see little point in comparing the environmental impact of the Aswan High Dam in Egypt with the current flood situation in Queensland . For those that have not travelled beyond NZ's shore, an area of land greater than the combined area of France and Germany, or Larger than the State of Texas, is a bloody big block of land, and the impact of the currnt Flods on agricultural will be greater than 1 year . How about for an environmental consequence, large amounts of soil being deposited on that World Heritage Site, The Great Barrier Reef - it has the potential to kill off one tremendous amount of coral . Any Flood control Dams that could be built will be relatively small in comparison with the Aswan Dam, or the major Hydro Lakes in NZ, and the benfits greatly outweigh any negatives . The worst Greenies are metro greens who have no real concept of the country side or nature, but have been seduced into a cause that they really don't understand . It is very easy to be obstructive, and refuse to listen to intelligent counter arguement when one does not have to suffer the consequences of the cause espoused, if the greenies position prevales . That other peoples lives, and livelihood are harmed is immaterial to the cause .	KenESmith (6287)
1168361	2011-01-10 05:50:00	In my view the Pike River Mine effort should have been open cast and it probably would have been it it was not for the Greens. The CEO of the mine responded to this nonsense.....it was not economically viable for the coal to be open cut. But the bollox continues to be repeated, a recent letter in The Listener quoted an "expert" (Austalian of course) making the same claim. As for the Queensland floods doesn't it suggest that the areas inundated shouldn't have been built on in the first place.	martynz (5445)
1168362	2011-01-10 06:12:00	The world could save a lot of time if only they went direct to Marty. I mean he seems to me to be all knowing.	Cicero (40)
1168363	2011-01-10 07:15:00	The world could save a lot of time if only they went direct to Marty. I mean he seems to me to be all knowing. Unlike you....smartarse. Seems you can't post without being rude. Were you born like that or have you taken lessons?	martynz (5445)
1168364	2011-01-10 07:45:00	Unlike you....smartarse. Seems you can't post without being rude. Were you born like that or have you taken lessons? A natural, I presume. Or probably part of his upbringing.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
1168365	2011-01-10 09:34:00	As for the Queensland floods doesn't it suggest that the areas inundated shouldn't have been built on in the first place. Get real the area affected by floods is huge,over 905,000 sq Kilometers,of a State with land area of 1,722,000 sq km, ie 52.5% of the State of Queensland or some 12% of the total land area of Australia, the area flooded equates to 3.36 x the total land area of New Zealand. Under water are some of the most fertile and productive farm land in Australia, mines, industries and untold damage has been done to infrastructure, such as roading, railways, bridges, airfields and housing stock, over 200,000 people have been forced from their homes. Inland flooding in Queensland will flow on down into New South Wales through the Murray Cachment system carrying the woe to that State, and adding to the numbers of unfortunate souls who are or will be victims of this prolonged wild wet weather. Today the city of Toowoomba, some 120km SW of Brisbane suffered flash flooding the cost to date - there are two known fatalities, and millions of dollars in property damage. In the last hour there has been a warning broadcast to all people downstream of Gatton in the Lockyer Valley, a fertile farming area in SE Queensland, to immediately vacate their homes, and to urgently contact the Police and SES if they have problems in evacuating the area. The SE has today suffered from 120 - 300 mm of heavy rain, in Toowoomba the flash flooding resulted from a rainfall of over 100mm per hour. The flood control dam at Wivenhoe on the upper reaches of Brisbane River is at 140% of capacity, and is each day having to spill twice the volume of Sydney Harbour, this is putting the City of Ipswich at risk, and could threaten some low lying areas in the Brisbane area. Australia will recover from this disasterous flooding but it will not be a quick recovery, it could take several years, and many elderly Australians may never recover from it in their remaining years. I can only give thanks that we live in a well elevated area some 20km South of the City of Brisbane, and for us the severe wet weather is at present more of an inconvenience than a hazard. Insurance Companies, being as far removed from charities as is possible will not cover flood damage in any area where there has been any prior history of flooding, policies have specific exclusion clauses, so a large number of the victims of flooding will get no payout from their insurance policies. The banks are operating collection for donations towards disaster relief for the victims, and should any of you wish to contribute to assisting these unfortunate people, I believe that both Westpac and the ANZ will accept donations. Australia has been a very generous nation in coming to the aid of less fortunate countries who have suffered major natural disasters, and I trust that with respect to the problems Australia is now facing there will now be reciprocation.	KenESmith (6287)
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