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Thread ID: 115364	2011-01-15 07:53:00	IT industry question	PCT Joe (15018)	PC World Chat

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1169886	2011-01-15 07:53:00	Hey guys; I started my diploma (ames.ac.nz rt_level_5_pc9812) last week and I'm loving it. This is a question to all the techs out there; With those qualifications whats the likelihood of me obtaining a job in the IT sector?!?! and on top of the above mentioned diploma I'm also looking to get my CCNP at the end of this year and my MCITP:ES and CompTIA Security+ next year if possible. Also; for those who own a business. for the qualifications I will have at the end of the diploma would YOU hire me?!? EDIT: last question is theoretical unless you genuinely need someone :)	PCT Joe (15018)
1169887	2011-01-15 08:20:00	I've known a few people who did courses like that and gotten jobs just months ago by either they applied for them or the school's advisor helped them. They didn't do Security+, just A+, Network+ MCP (non network), and a few others did the network one which also had MCP with Windows Server or Cisco if they preferred that instead. They got jobs in help desk I think. Some of them had degrees at uni and then did a Level 5 Diploma Course + the above IT certifications (Microsoft and CompTIA) but they haven't worked before other than unrelated student jobs. Some of them were chefs, bus drivers, labourers etc ... Some were like early 20s out of uni and straight into and graduated from the Diploma course, some others were like married and in the 30s or 50s .... ...... seeking a career change. I think the important thing is just that you have passed, but it is how you approach the org and how you present yourself prior to meeting them (CV and letter etc.).	Nomad (952)
1169888	2011-01-15 08:33:00	Just remember that interviews are a skill as well, and funny enough... the more you do the better you get at them. Unless you're thick and learn nothing from the failed attempts. ( My apologies to the thick people with crappy jobs and no idea why......)	Metla (12)
1169889	2011-01-15 08:41:00	Its also a fine line between having a bit of paper after doing all the exams and experience. I know several Tech's, that have no qualifications at all , but I'd hire them in a flash if I had the need to and they wanted work. They know what they are doing, and no paper work in the world can give you hands on experience. BUT of course you need a job to get experience - so its catch 22 as the saying goes. I remember before I started my own business, one interview - I presented the qualifications, (cold calling at the time) - the guy said he wasn't interested in what they said - he had his own tasks ---- Passed the tests easily, but the only reason I didn't get the job over one other person was he had experience and I didn't at the time.	wainuitech (129)
1169890	2011-01-15 08:44:00	Just remember that interviews are a skill as well, and funny enough... the more you do the better you get at them. Unless you're thick and learn nothing from the failed attempts. ( My apologies to the thick people with crappy jobs and no idea why......) Yep quite right I remember an interview for a job as an airplane mechanic. It was with a female interviewer from a job selection agency who knew nothing about planes. It just turned to guano. Every joke I cracked fell flat this tart asked questions I couldn't give an honest answer to. I knew about 5 minutes in I had bummed out and just wanted to go but the tart prolonged the agony. Only silver lining was company almost went bust and layed off heaps when parachute jump planes contract didn't eventuate..	prefect (6291)
1169891	2011-01-15 08:47:00	With the experience thing is that as I have been told if you have lots of experience in one ting but not IT you may start at the bottom which may separate you from ones with more work experience, ie., help desk or application support. At the school, there are some guys who come in the evenings who are currently IT professionals just to get their quals and certifications. With my own experience in non IT jobs, I just did call centre and office admin as a temping employee before I got the real jobs. Not one asked to see the degrees, they might of just rang the uni up. One company's HR Dept did request them at application as "part of their policy" but at the interview they never talked about it. However the qualifications may be important to get shortlisted for the interview, might apply to larger companies but then in the interview I doubt they talk about it. But really, these days everyone has quals, the employer has more than enough people with correct specs applying for jobs.	Nomad (952)
1169892	2011-01-15 08:59:00	Qualifications may get you the interview, but you need to get yourself the job.	Metla (12)
1169893	2011-01-15 10:58:00	Qualifications may get you the interview, but you need to get yourself the job. :thumbs: My thoughts exactly.	jwil1 (65)
1169894	2011-01-15 18:45:00	Qualifications may get you the interview, but you need to get yourself the job. Never a truer word has been spoken. If I was hiring right now I'd also take someone without the quals that did have the experience needed as long as they made the right impression at the interview.	southern_jas (4017)
1169895	2011-01-15 19:26:00	Hey guys; I started my diploma (ames.ac.nz rt_level_5_pc9812) last week and I'm loving it. With those qualifications whats the likelihood of me obtaining a job in the IT sector?!?! I'm also looking to get my CCNP at the end of this year and my MCITP:ES and CompTIA Security+ next year if possible. ) Slim. Quals like that don't mean a lot. It's OK, but not that helpful unless you have experience to go with it. The only qual I have ever seen requested is Computer Science from University. And that's not a tech/network engineer qual anyway. The CCNP would be more useful although everyone seems to do those now. Get as much experience as you can first, even if you have to do unpaid work at some company. And I'd do that before spending anymore money on courses.	pctek (84)
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