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Thread ID: 115481	2011-01-20 04:34:00	Govt launches serious abuse inquiry	pctek (84)	PC World Chat

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1171169	2011-01-20 08:01:00	I see that you too blame CYFs. Fair enough, they're an easy target. Of course I blame them like I would anyone that does not perform the job they are getting paid for. Stop being a plonker.	mikebartnz (21)
1171170	2011-01-20 08:02:00	hitcher, You obviously did not read the first line on pctek's post. It says: In the Herald: PCTek is only repeating what the quote was in the Herald. I am sure PCtek does not condone in any way what happened to the little girl at all. Why don't you read the post very carefully again. Also I think an apology to PCTek wouldn't be amiss! LL I did read her copy/paste very carefully. I took note of her comment at the end of the post and I responded accordingly. Edited to add that I'm quite sure pctek doesn't condone what happened either. I addressed the fact that she appears to blame CYFs for the actions of others. That's a big difference to what you're implying I said, LL	The Hitcher (14826)
1171171	2011-01-20 08:07:00	As far as what pctek said, at no point in her post did I see any mention of blaming parents. I only read that CYFs should all be sacked. It's a given.....there is no profit in mentioning the parents are to blame because the blame is there by default, and typing it out is just a waste of energy. Pctek has been here longer than you, and for those who know her, knows what she thinks of the parents of the 9 year old.	qazwsxokmijn (102)
1171172	2011-01-20 08:20:00	It's a given.....there is no profit in mentioning the parents are to blame because the blame is there by default, and typing it out is just a waste of energy. Pctek has been here longer than you, and for those who know her, knows what she thinks of the parents of the 9 year old. Wasting your breath on this one gaz. Always beware when you detect certainty.	Cicero (40)
1171173	2011-01-20 08:38:00	hitcher, You obviously did not read the first line on pctek's post. It says: In the Herald: PCTek is only repeating what the quote was in the Herald. I am sure PCtek does not condone in any way what happened to the little girl at all. Why don't you read the post very carefully again. Also I think an apology to PCTek wouldn't be amiss! LL PCTek Thank you! :thumbs:	WalOne (4202)
1171174	2011-01-20 18:14:00	Geez. The parents should be shot. Literally. CYFS should be sacked. Yep the parents did it to her. However, in all the time it went on and all the agencies, social workers etc she saw - no-one noticed? Except her teacher who repeatedly tried to get someone to do something without success. And what annoys me about CYFs is this "Child, Youth and Family report found no failure by any of the 12 state agencies involved." If the actual agencies designed to stop this sort of thing can't notice anything, then who can? They visited her. Are they thick or blind? Parents should have to have some kind of license to breed in the first place I think. And any nastiness, sterilised on first offense. Abuse like this, executed. Govt agencies though coming up with lame excuses....it doesn't annoy you? You believe them? Hell I have reported families to the police before - it's not hard to notice. We lived next door to a certain lot, saw the 2 yr old trying to get out a window one day, while the a****e shouted, go on, jump. I rang the police straight away and while I waited stood on my deck where they could see me so he wouldn't decided to push the kid or something. Husband was horrified I'd be seen. Actually being seen was the point - to say, I'm watching.	pctek (84)
1171175	2011-01-20 19:20:00	I've seen a number of CYFS staff over the years in the course of my work, and my general impression is that they find the job to be very stressfull !! Their own health suffers as a result of the scumbags they have to deal with, plus their powerlessness to intervene in many cases. You can't remove kids from a bad home if you don't have anywhere any better to place them - and there is the big problem - finding sufficient good homes where the folks are willing to risk their own property, wealth and wellbeing to try to save/salvage someone elses screwed-up life. I'm all in favour of forced sterilisation. What is the sense in removing child after child from known bad parents, while leaving them capable of simply having more kids indiscriminately? If parents are screwed up to the degree that they have to have their kids removed, then there's a socially and financially responsible path to ensure that neither of the parents present are ever likely to gain charge of a kid again. Putting an end to their breeding will also relieve our welfare and education sectors, and probably also eventually relieve our police, justice, probation a decade or so down the track.	Paul.Cov (425)
1171176	2011-01-20 21:47:00	Hell I have reported families to the police before - it's not hard to notice. We lived next door to a certain lot, saw the 2 yr old trying to get out a window one day, while the a****e shouted, go on, jump. I rang the police straight away and while I waited stood on my deck where they could see me so he wouldn't decided to push the kid or something. Husband was horrified I'd be seen. Actually being seen was the point - to say, I'm watching. I can understand hubbies worry but good on you.:thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs::thumbs:	mikebartnz (21)
1171177	2011-01-20 22:01:00	I often find myself wondering why people like this have kids in the first place. And then I realise, it just gives them more money from the government. Perhaps we should just start giving them more money if they need it, but not give out any based on the presence of children to save future kids from having terrible lives? I mean that won't happen, but it's no less likely to happen than forced sterelisation or anything. Unfortunately, we just have to live with the fact that child abuse is a huge part of NZ society and we can't do anything about it because we aren't the ones with the power. We can say no as much as we like, the majority won't listen, they won't care. They'll inflict as much damage on their kids as they want, as long as the money keeps on flowing. That's why they're so vicious when it comes to having them taken away. It's stealing not something they love, but something that earns them free money.	8ftmetalhaed (14526)
1171178	2011-01-20 22:40:00	From the Herald today. Mother wrote to PM asking for help. The mother of a savagely-abused 9-year-old girl wrote to Prime Minister John Key with a cry for help months before her daughter was discovered by police with injuries to almost every part of her body. Details of the letter emerged yesterday as Social Development Minister Paula Bennett announced a high-level inquiry into how early signs of the worst case of child abuse she had seen fell between the cracks and agencies failed to take early decisive action. The girl's parents, who have name suppression to protect her identity, face more than 35 charges between them. Another family member has been charged with sexually abusing the girl. Ms Bennett said the girl's mother wrote to Mr Key seeking help around the middle of last year. Mr Key referred the letter to Ms Bennett, who said she responded to it. "It was pretty evident that the mother was showing concern and was actually hiding what was going on," she said. But she could not comment further as the letter could come out in the court process. The girl was taken into Child, Youth and Family custody on November 15 after police found her hiding in a cupboard at a West Auckland house. Her scalp had been torn away from her head because she had been dragged by her hair, she had been beaten with weapons including a hammer, a broomstick and a machete, and one of her toenails had been pulled off and salt and boiling water poured on the wound. The girl's father has pleaded not guilty to the charges, and her mother is yet to enter a plea. The mother's defence lawyer, Lorraine Smith, said last night it was a tragic case. Commenting on the letter to Mr Key's office, she said there was "a lot more to this case than meets the eye". While there was "no excuse for any physical abuse of a child", she said the family had struggled to deal with their daughter. "The mother has completely failed to cope. She'd been attempting to get help from various agencies without success." The inquiry will be led by former Ombudsman Mel Smith, and will investigate matters including the extent to which the 12 agencies involved with the girl's family shared information and collaborated. The agencies include Child, Youth and Family, Housing NZ, doctors, mental health workers, and caregivers. "Every available resource was provided in this case, including some of our most expensive and trusted intervention models for at-risk families, yet a child suffered appalling abuse and I want to know why," Ms Bennett said.	Trev (427)
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