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Thread ID: 115740	2011-02-01 15:51:00	Going to new zealand(maybe), what should i do?	Question (15792)	PC World Chat

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1174354	2011-02-04 04:53:00	No, apparently, major canadian ISPs decided to force through some bill that lets them charge $2 per GB and cease unlimited bandwidth usage. Im not too sure on the exact detals, but a lot of canadians are in an uproar about it, becausei ts cheaper to buy SSDs and throw them away then pay $2 per GB. Isnt NZ in the middle of some kind of network infrastructure upgrade though? Yeah they are but I doubt it would be cheaper IMO. NZ's broadband internet has not changed 1c for many ISPs for the last 5yrs. The lines has been faster where they had a 128k or a 2Mbit speed, now they have ADSL2+ in many areas producing up to 12-15Mbit, some areas might get 20Mbit perhaps. IMO in terms of where most NZders live most of them have access to ADSL2+, VDSL has been rolled out in a few areas but that is a premium service. Maybe the upgrade would provide infrastructure for the future should the world grow out of ADSL2+ and VDSL. Maybe also there might be more consistency in terms of the speed obtained depending where your house is (including rural which might of been negelected - far away and less customers). I am pretty close to the telephone exchange so I get 16Mbit line speed, I only have a FS/128k that is FS downstream, 128k upsream so I pay less than FS/FS, with that I get a tested 12-15Mbit speed. If you look at Australia, there might some more affordable plans but many Australians aren't that much well off than NZ. I have a cousin in Sydney and he has a 3GB cap per month. I'm pretty happy with ADSL2+ where I live. Maybe that with fibre optic more houses can get a more resonable speed when they live further from the telephone exchange. For a family household, I doubt they need more than 15 or 20Mbit under ADSL2+ or 25Mbit odd if they are with VDSL. Maybe schools can access the expensive solution of fibre without going to a dedicated pipe. Where they have a lot more users than a family .....	Nomad (952)
1174355	2011-02-04 05:33:00	You mention a SSD hard drive in terms of Internet. Question is how much GBs do you need? Once upon a time there were unlimited usage plans, twice actually but some people were downloading massive amount of stuff, like 500GBs or 1.5TB a month. You think that is sustainable? I have a friend in Singapore, he has the 3G connection of 2Mbit with SingTel (unlimited usage with all of their plans) but I doubt he downloads massive amount of stuff. Plus I wonder if all that stuff is legit or are they like game demo's and software demo's :rolleyes: I bet they are pirated movies ..	Nomad (952)
1174356	2011-02-04 06:45:00	Its clearly sustainable for many countries. Many people in sigapore download hundreds of GB a month, and the ISPs have no problem sustaining it. My question is, why cant the NZ isps sustain it? Hell even PHILLIPINO ISPs have unlimited broadband. You cant possibly tell me phillipino ISPs have more money than NZ ones to buy bandwidth.	Question (15792)
1174357	2011-02-04 06:49:00	Its clearly sustainable for many countries. Many people in sigapore download hundreds of GB a month, and the ISPs have no problem sustaining it. My question is, why cant the NZ isps sustain it? Hell even PHILLIPINO ISPs have unlimited broadband. You cant possibly tell me phillipino ISPs have more money than NZ ones to buy bandwidth. Well, even the USA may some time introduce data caps. It's also Australia. What happened before was too much strain was put on the network, and some people couldn't even surf the internet properly. If you wanted unlimited caps, you chose the wrong country. Actually from the bit of research I did off Phillipines, NZ may not have as much money. Phillipines has a lot more minerals than NZ or that they have access to them, NZ has a lot of them protected so you cannot access them. Phillipines has a lot more population. Take the size of Singapore - roughly the size of Lake Taupo but we only have 4M population for the whole of NZ.	Nomad (952)
1174358	2011-02-04 09:17:00	It's all about location. New Zealand is far away from other countries and isolated, so it is expensive to get data in and out of the country.	george12 (7)
1174359	2011-02-04 17:51:00	It's all about location. New Zealand is far away from other countries and isolated, so it is expensive to get data in and out of the country. ^This. There is currently only one cable connecting us to the rest of the world and badwidth on it is expensive. There are plans afoot to change this but not any time soon. Part of it is a chicken and egg problem, bandwidth could be cheaper if we used enough of it to get a better bulk rate but the ISP's won't pay for that much banwidth until they are sure there is enough return/usage to cover it. So if we all used more at the current high prices for long enough the price "Should" come down.	dugimodo (138)
1174360	2011-02-05 02:40:00	^This. There is currently only one cable connecting us to the rest of the world and badwidth on it is expensive. There are plans afoot to change this but not any time soon. Part of it is a chicken and egg problem, bandwidth could be cheaper if we used enough of it to get a better bulk rate but the ISP's won't pay for that much banwidth until they are sure there is enough return/usage to cover it. So if we all used more at the current high prices for long enough the price "Should" come down. Short term the prices would likely go up as Southern Cross Cable cites 'capacity' issues, whether or not it is reasonable to. I think only the proposed 2nd cable would ever push down the price. With one main cable, Southern Cross Cable simply has no reason to ever reduce the pricing.	george12 (7)
1174361	2011-02-07 04:43:00	On a somewhat related note, does anyone have any idea how i am supposed to pay the school fees via bank draft(a piece of paper like a cheque)? I keep getting very weird responses everytime i ask the university of auckland how, exactly, they want me to get the bank draft to them to receive a fee receipt i need to apply for the student visa. Am i supposed to send it to them via airmail?	Question (15792)
1174362	2011-02-07 15:10:00	Have you considered credit card? That might be a lot easier if it's possible. Last I checked Victoria accepted credit cards for fee payment. Not sure if others do also. If you don't have a credit card, you can probably use a parent's.	george12 (7)
1174363	2011-02-07 20:09:00	Neither my credit card nor my parents has the limit required to pay an entire year's worth of school fees though...we are talking about a sum in excess of $25,000. And we already spent money on purchasing the bank draft. Im just going to send it by airmail to the address they listed to see if it works. I find it really strange though that there literally no instructions for international students paying by bank draft, and their "trained team of advisors" just gives me strange responses.	Question (15792)
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