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Thread ID: 115849	2011-02-06 19:33:00	Yet another terrible UFB article by Chris Barton @nzherald	Chilling_Silence (9)	PC World Chat

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1175672	2011-02-08 10:05:00	I wish I had the money to spend on shares. Are you telling me that their nationwide cabinetization rollout has been bad? And that people on ADSL2+ off a roadside cabinet (When their wholesaling ISP gets their upstream international bandwidth sorted) ever receives poor speeds? . Its been reprehensible, Far too little, far too late, and it took massive pressure to get it done. Why do you ignore the fact that Telecom screwed over every single one of its customers in order to maximize short term profit for its shareholders, There entire plan was/is to offer the barest minimum they can get away with for the highest profit, which means letting the infrastructure turn to crap....Look at the railways for where that road leads. Im not impressed that the government had to get involved and Im sure as hell not going to celebrate Telecom finally investing in a tiny fraction of what they should have been doing all along. I can't see any reason to allow Telecom to even submit a tender, They should be excluded on principle of past strategy. Someone is going to get screwed (thats us) and someone is going to make massive profits (thats them) And thats the way it will be as long as the filthy government keeps shoveling our money in their direction. For the record our work connection of ADSL2 is utter crap, Their supplied router couldn't even hold the connection for more then a few minutes, and my home feed is just poo, though Xnet can have some of that blame. Neither connection has any bearing on my view of Telecom in the bigger picture.	Metla (12)
1175673	2011-02-08 10:38:00	I agree, some of what Telecom has done has been terrible, but at the end of the day if buying out the network means cheaper pricing, and faster access to high speed internet, then why cut off your nose because of prior prejudices? Using a cheap ISP supplied router? Tick Using an ISP with known performance issues and overloading? Tick Still Telecoms fault? ..... Ive been to the consortiums that the Govt have put on in town, I've spoken with people from all over the world, many who are experts in their fields and experienced with prior mass rollouts. Korea has some of the fastest internet in the world with most places having 100m/bit available, some Gigabit even. However the vast, vast majority of the population chooses to be throttled to 10m/bit. Why, when it costs less than NZD$10 a month for the faster speed? I'd suggest that given how 15-20% of the country is on dial up still, that the extra speed possible won't matter so much for *most* by the time the Chorus rollout finishes the end of this year. Similar to Korea. People moan and complain because the price of butter goes up by $1, you think people will fork out extra just for the privilege of throttled back Fibre vs DSL at the same speed? I don't! Seen the price of VDSL2 with TelstrsClear? Or the price of HSNS with Orcon? Its much much faster yet adoption is almost nil. Why? HSNS is available in most places so availability isn't the issue. Perhaps its the quantity of scale? ISPs in NZ have had a hard time migrating people to ADSL2+, to the point where if you haven't been given a new modem then you feel ripped off. Most countries don't do that, NZ didn't at first, but it started to help adoption. All I'm saying is that two competing networks, NZ is going to choose the "good enough" one over the "premium" one. Hands down! :pf1mobmini:	Chilling_Silence (9)
1175674	2011-02-08 10:44:00	Side note: Its currently cheaper in the CBD to get 5x unlimited ADSL2+ connections and link them (To get your upload to 5m/bit), than it is to get 5m/bit fibre or HSNS Lite, and that would provide over 10x the download speeds of Fibre. That's on already existing networks without trying to spread the already thin customer base even thinner between more wholesale providers. Fibres the way of the future for sure, but unless the Govt is smart about their adoption of it, they're going to have achieved little more than a very very long term financial investment. :pf1mobmini:	Chilling_Silence (9)
1175675	2011-02-08 10:52:00	I agree, some of what Telecom has done has been terrible, but at the end of the day if buying out the network means cheaper pricing, ans faster access to high speed internet, then why cut off your nose because of prior prejudices? :pf1mobmini: Once bitten, Twice shy. Its called a learning experience. Using a cheap ISP supplied router? Tick Using an ISP with known performance issues? Tick Still Telecoms fault? ..... Given that the work connection is a telecom account, running through telecom hardware and that the cheap ISP router was supplied by Telecom then yes, Its Telecom. That aside, As I have already said, I base my views on the bigger picture. And I'm not concerned with the argument of speed vs bandwidth, The people of NZ have been starved and charged for so long by Telecom its no wonder they don't know what the hell they want, They just know they want something better then the crap they have been served for so long. It would be a damn shame if the opportunity to bypass Telecom wasn't taken at this time, Hell, I'll even volunteer to pay a couple more bucks a week tax just to keep them out of the picture	Metla (12)
1175676	2011-02-08 11:11:00	Seriously, Imagine if a plumber operated like Telecom do, It would take a mad fool to continue using them, No matter how much corporate rebranding has taken place.	Metla (12)
1175677	2011-02-08 11:14:00	So you're saying that if you went to a restaurant, and your order was messed up by the person at the front desk, that in the event new management came along and took over all their kitchen gear and things, you'd stay away from that place purely because that meal had once been served to you that wasn't 100% satisfactory from that same kitchen? Or, because it's significantly cheaper than the new restaurant down the road, and you're hungry, do you give it another chance? Using a Thomson router? You should know better ... ;)	Chilling_Silence (9)
1175678	2011-02-08 11:22:00	So you're saying that if you went to a restaurant, and your order was messed up by the person at the front desk, that in the event new management came along and took over all their kitchen gear and things, you'd stay away from that place purely because that meal had once been served to you that wasn't 100% satisfactory from that same kitchen? Or, because it's significantly cheaper than the new restaurant down the road, and you're hungry, do you give it another chance? Using a Thomson router? You should know better ... ;) If they were the only restaurant in town and continually served miserable outdated stale food, provided lousy service, had crappy decor charged wicked prices all out of greed and didn't clean up their act until the government introduced legislation to force them to, and even then they only kicked into gear when they went on the hunt for a trillion dollar contract...all in the name of greed. Then hell no they would not get my patronage. Telecom have not improved themselves to make the customer happy, they have simply changed their image in order to get the billions of tax payer dollars on offer. Sure they are all as bad as each other, But Telecom have had more then their fair share, and public suport of their corperate greed is misplaced.	Metla (12)
1175679	2011-02-08 11:28:00	So do the world a favor and instantly eliminate them from the marketplace, rather than trying to go head-to-head with them?	Chilling_Silence (9)
1175680	2011-02-08 11:28:00	Using a Thomson router? You should know better ... ;) Well, I did know better, But my new employers thought I had gone a bit mad suggesting we bin the Telecom supplied unit without opening the box and that I go and buy a $200 router instead. I pretty much had to bet the farm on resolving the network issues with a new router, But meh, as soon as I swapped out the unit everything started to sing, the internet was stable and all the missing devices on the network showed up...well most did and I hooked in the rest. I rang telecom, told them their router wasn't up to the job, they insisted it must be faulty, I said no, its just a useless piece of crap, That I wanted a refund if we were charged and I was sending it back to them. They didn't want it back, They suggested I throw it in a bin.....:waughh:	Metla (12)
1175681	2011-02-08 11:32:00	So do the world a favor and instantly eliminate them from the marketplace, rather than trying to go head-to-head with them? Neither. Simply discount them from the list of companies that can submit a tender, It happens everyday in the business world. Telecom will survive in one form or another, Its not the job of the taxpayer to ensure they bring in massive profits, and thats all that is happening here, The Government is acting in the interest of Telecom.	Metla (12)
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